My floor with the Legacy Industrial kit

[OceanStateTuning]

Here is my review:

Anyway I was planning to use Epoxy Coat because I saw it at Sema I believe and liked the product a lot ANYWAY Scotty over at Legacy Industrial hit me up and ended up selling me his product as it was very similar and such. Anyway I get it and find out the day I was installing it that the Clear with his kit wont work with Decals. Because it was a competely different style clear then Epoxy Coat that can submerge decals with (What I thought I was getting) Anyway besides the point I put the base down, came out good but had a couple of low spots (His 600 sqft kit just about did my 480 sq ft garage) I put my flakes down and it looked good. Debating on using his clear with or without my logo or sending it back for credit toward the other clear but he claims its a bunch better clear (I wanted the nice thick, deep look, not so much the wet look) Anyway I used one gallon of clear after 12 hours and it came out good, made the low spots not look dry, of course it didn't fill in the pourus spots. I waited 12 more hours for the second coat with the other gallon and put it on, it dried and wow it did fish eye. Floor looks absolutly terrible, nothing even close to what I wanted or was expecting. Anyway not knocking his product at all just should of stuck to plan A but could not get a hold of Christine any time I called. Anyway here is the pictures:

I shouldn't of applied the second coat because it looked okay till that, was hoping the second coat was gonna help give it the thick look/feel I was hoping for. I installed both layers very thin, not sure what happened, not happy at all but this is what I get to live with.

 

[OceanStateTuning]

I still have like 1/3 gallon left of clear, might try to hit some with another thin coat to see what happens

 

[Kevin54]

Not knowing much about it, but it looks like the flakes may have caused it as all of the fisheyes are around each flake. You didn't happen to dump them in a bucket or anything to broadcast them out did you. If so, maybe the bucket or pail was contaminated with something that had silicone or something similar.

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Not knowing much about it, but it looks like the flakes may have caused it as all of the fisheyes are around each flake. You didn't happen to dump them in a bucket or anything to broadcast them out did you. If so, maybe the bucket or pail was contaminated with something that had silicone or something similar.

Came out of the bags provided with the kit, tossed them by hand

 

[les_garten]

I would not touch anything till Scott replies.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Kyle,
Looks like a blush from high humidity. We discussed you waiting on this project because of the inbound humid conditions. Apparently, you did not take my advice.

Coating over this without properely grinding the coating back to the epoxy will likely cause a failure.

I am not happy about your situation. However, I am glad you posted these photos as they are good reminder of what happens when you second guess a manufacturer's advice.

I will talk to our team in the morning to see what can be done.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Came out of the bags provided with the kit, tossed them by hand

Kevin, he has one coat of urethane down without a problem, if the flakes were contaminated the first coat would have fish-eyed. This is likely caused by a blush from high humidity.

 

[OceanStateTuning]

I don't think it was humidity though, I was overly worried about it so I kept my Dehumidifier running (70 pint one) set at 65% and it didn't pull that much besides I have one of those weather station things on my house that measures it and was 85% today outside, It says up to 90% for your moisture cured urethane. I got lucky with no rain today as they had changed the chance of rain % the other day but looks like tomorrow or late tonight should deffinitally rain but I can walk on it

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Kyle:

Good morning. The solution is to sand and re-coat the floor. We can go back and forth all day on the relative humidity, the bottom line is you applied urethane down on a contaminated floor and that caused the fish-eyes.

You did not do anything wrong by applying the second coat as that is a standard practice. I feel badly anytime a floor goes wrong, my product or not. It is a no-win situation for either of us.

I will gladly send you up some more coatings including a 100% solids clear with a UV inhibitor if you wish to try again, at my expense.

 

[Nighttrain]

Kyle:

Good morning. The solution is to sand and re-coat the floor. We can go back and forth all day on the relative humidity, the bottom line is you applied urethane down on a contaminated floor and that caused the fish-eyes.

You did not do anything wrong by applying the second coat as that is a standard practice. I feel badly anytime a floor goes wrong, my product or not. It is a no-win situation for either of us.

I will gladly send you up some more coatings including a 100% solids clear with a UV inhibitor if you wish to try again, at my expense.

Way to stand behind your product Scotty. I would think anything over 50% humidity would be way too much. But I do live in Texas and we are very dry and can paint etc on most days.

 

[OceanStateTuning]

How far does it need to get sanded down? Will it ruin the flakes? I thought the clear needed to be put on at 60-90% humidity according to the product sheet, Just curious how the floor would of got contaminated or are you talking about the moisture?

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Talked to Scott this morning, he is going to help me out and get me the clear I had wanted. Anyway I was not trying to talk bad about his product but this happened to me so might be able to happen to you. I don't think Humidity had anything to do with this but something was off. Anyway I need to sand the floor down to a base, Hopefully will do that this weekend or next week (I have a car that the guy has been on me 24/7 about finishing so I need to use my lift first before I can sand it off) Anyway I will post up pictures and stuff of the new floor

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

and the saga continues...

We believe the problem lies with the chips. We did a test and they appear to have a little release agent on them. We will take this up with our vendor.

Kyle has been a good egg through this inconvenience and I appreciate his communication. We are sending him our very best 100% solids UV Safe Clear Coat to mend the floor.

 

[rugerlady]

Ocean State - sorry we played phone tag. I do sometimes get very busy!
Scotty - wow, that *****. I am hoping we are not using the same flake vendor!! Way to stand behind your customers though!

 

[bas157]

If it is a release agent on the chips, that could be bad for a bunch of other people with chips from the same batch!

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

If it is a release agent on the chips, that could be bad for a bunch of other people with chips from the same batch!

The blue chips are the problem. It wouldn't have affected the project as much if it was a full chip or an epoxy clear. Urethanes are so thin they are influenced more by this when curing.

Just glad to have figured it out.

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Wow! I just went out to the garage and looked EVERY single blue chip, no matter how small had the clear repel. My girl told me not to do the blue too, so no one let her find out this was the cause lol Anyway the flakes look exactly how I wanted it too and would of been fine if there was no clear on it. Crazy how this happened but atleast we found the problem... I TOLD YOU IT WASN'T THE HUMIDITY!!! Anyway Scotty is taking care of me well so hopefully I can get some new pictures up soon.

 

[Capt Chrysler]

Hello Scott,

You handled this problem/condition, in a manner that is uncommon these days.

Kudos to you sir.


Capt. Chrysler


release agent: like in plastic mold release agent?

 

[munkey]

Kevin wins; correctly guessed the problem in less than an hour after the original post went up. Seems obvious now that we know.

Interesting case, especially looking back at the photos.

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Hello Scott,

You handled this problem/condition, in a manner that is uncommon these days.

Kudos to you sir.


Capt. Chrysler


release agent: like in plastic mold release agent?

Thank you Captain.
Yes, it's funny how these chips are made. The are sprayed or poured out into pans. Prior to that, the pans are sprayed with a non-stick release agent (like Pam).

Once cured, they run the sheets through a chopper which makes the chips.

I talked to a few people yesterday that have had similar issues with blue chips.

 

[xrdad]

Impressed by LegacyIndustrial standing behind the product.

Sorry to hear Oceanstatetuning has added work to do, but at least it's getting resolved. This kind of service seems harder and harder to find everyday.

 

[csp]

So what/who is the source of the problematic blue chips? I just ordered seven pounds of a mix that includes a blue color and really don't want them to cause a problem. Mine are from Original Color Chips, though I bought them from another source.

 

[Kevin54]

Kevin wins; correctly guessed the problem in less than an hour after the original post went up. Seems obvious now that we know.

Interesting case, especially looking back at the photos.

I used to paint cars on a regular basis. Automotive paint does the same thing around a piece of dirt. It will "fisheye".

It's just great to see that a company will stand behind their reputation by helping a customer out any way they can. That's a winner in my book

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Well the plan was to put the clear he is sending me down tonight so it could dry on this long weekend and I could put my garage back to use but it looks like it didn't ship out till Thursday so I won't see it until Monday now. Love how these couple day to a week projects turn into several week projects.

Anyway I'll post pictures up toward the end of next week now after I get it and it dries

 

[csp]

Probably won't see it Monday unless the shipper delivers on holidays (assuming you're in the US).

 

[bas157]

Probably won't see it monday either. Can't imagine any of the shipping companies are working on Memorial Day!

 

[Demon]

I just purchased some chips and M/C Urethane from Legacy also. I wonder if this will happen to my floor. I'm starting to worry now. Any suggestions Scott?

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Probably won't see it monday either. Can't imagine any of the shipping companies are working on Memorial Day!

Yeah I know I was hoping since we got the order placed on Tuesday and I'm only like 5 hours or so away I would of got it for this weekend but I guess he didn't have any in stock or something.

I just purchased some chips and M/C Urethane from Legacy also. I wonder if this will happen to my floor. I'm starting to worry now. Any suggestions Scott?

I'm clearly not Scott but I would assume you could run them through a mild degresser like simple green/water then another run or two through water to make sure they are clean.

 

[xrdad]

Sorry.. hope the new coating resolves the fisheyes..

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Check out my latest Epoxy Coat video!!! Please!

I worked hard on this and really want to win the contest!

Well posting in other threads is not the way to do it.



Anyway UPS just dropped off my clear coat. I preped the floor like Scott said and Washed it last night so it looks ready to do it but I will wait till tonight for the temps to drop a little bit and make sure there are no wet spots but it looks dry now anyway. Only a couple chips came up so that is good. I should have pictures tomorrow.

 

[Edger]

You are very unlucky about your floor because you did such a good job, everything right (including humidity), but you are also lucky that your supplier acted quickly and responsibly to get to the bottom of the problem. I used to coat floors and I believe you should leave it alone and use it until you have the time to clear everything out and do it again. Your next problem is to grind it off without breaking through the base coat which will be very difficult, probably impossible. Push the supplier of blue chips to pay for a complete grind back to concrete and recoat by a contractor at a future date.

 

[OceanStateTuning]

You are very unlucky about your floor because you did such a good job, everything right (including humidity), but you are also lucky that your supplier acted quickly and responsibly to get to the bottom of the problem. I used to coat floors and I believe you should leave it alone and use it until you have the time to clear everything out and do it again. Your next problem is to grind it off without breaking through the base coat which will be very difficult, probably impossible. Push the supplier of blue chips to pay for a complete grind back to concrete and recoat by a contractor at a future date.

Yeah it is a big pain in the @$$ but Scotty has been good; It only cost me like less then $60 to use the floor thingy and the scotch bite style pads he told me to get from Home Depot. I just swept the floor again and ate some burgers & dogs so time to go put the clear down! This whole extra week thing is the worst though... I work full time but do work out of my garage and well its pissed my customers off a lot and I've had to turn down a lot of work, oh well back to working on this so I can move back into my garage.

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Just got done, had to go pretty thin toward the end but had enough to do it with the 3 1.5 gallon clear kits he sent me. I submerged a decal, looks killer as I was putting it down so it should look amazing when done. I am a little worried as it almost looked like it was fish eyeing in some spots but it might of just been a little thin in those spots, back rolled several times over them but hopefully it settles smooth. Anyway this clear IS what I was hoping for in the first place, nice and thick. His M/C Urethane stuff would of been fine with me I think though if it didn't fish eye in the first place.

::crosses my fingers for good luck::

 

[OceanStateTuning]

EXACTLY what I was looking for. Hopefully it is just as strong doing it this way as it would of been doing it at the 12:00 mark. It feels dry, has been about 14 hours... I will wait till tomorrow to walk on it though to stay safe. I did notice a few bugs in it though and stuff but it looks great...

 

[tomd]

very nice job, congrats

 

[xrdad]

Very nice, really like the logo.

Congrats!

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Great job. Glad it all worked out well in the end.

 

[nperkins]

Where in RI are you at? Any details on the sticker in the floor? Is it just vinyl that you clearcoated over?

Do you work for beer? I'm going to coating my garage in a few months after the floor is poured & dried, and would love somebody with some experience.. (BTW i'm sure we probably know some of the same people.. I'm an ex honda guy, current subaru guy, with lots of ties to VW's)...

 

[OceanStateTuning]

Where in RI are you at? Any details on the sticker in the floor? Is it just vinyl that you clearcoated over?

Do you work for beer? I'm going to coating my garage in a few months after the floor is poured & dried, and would love somebody with some experience.. (BTW i'm sure we probably know some of the same people.. I'm an ex honda guy, current subaru guy, with lots of ties to VW's)...

Yep just a vinyl sticker my buddy made for me that we cleared over. I am in Providence, grew up in Burrillville, I am a ex-honda guy that moved on to better things currently working on a LS1 RX8 for my self to play with and I drive a stupid Audi Wagon. I am sure we know tons of people if you are from RI, I'm Kyle McCombs. ANYWAY Where are you at? Who doesn't work for beer? lol

 

[nperkins]

Yep just a vinyl sticker my buddy made for me that we cleared over. I am in Providence, grew up in Burrillville, I am a ex-honda guy that moved on to better things currently working on a LS1 RX8 for my self to play with and I drive a stupid Audi Wagon. I am sure we know tons of people if you are from RI, I'm Kyle McCombs. ANYWAY Where are you at? Who doesn't work for beer? lol

lol.. I'm actually from Griswold, CT just over the border, but I have friends in RI... You may know my buddy Brian, he used to have a 500whp Silver SRT4 that burned to the ground in a barn fire, now has a 400whp S14, and an MK4 VR6 jetta...

I used to have an STi, but it was stolen, so after I get the garage built, wife & I are starting our project... Most likely an LS1 WRX... Although an LS1 RX8 is right there along side it on the list...