Looking seriously at Epoxy Coat - Some Q's

Frank Dreb · Sep 3, 2012

I tried to PM Christine but I don't know if the PM system works until you post?

The first question is the most important, if the answer is no then the rest are moot. This is for a 24'X26' attached garage, new construction.

1. Is this product available in Canada? Specifically Edmonton Alberta. They do not carry it at the local Lowes, and the Epoxy Coat website only shows shipping options to USA.

2. How old should the concrete be before applying Epoxy Coat? - by the time we move in our garage floor will only be about 30 days old.

3. What are the minimum application temperatures? I will be looking at applying sometime in October; should be able to find a nice dry day in the mid teens (60-70F), however at night it would drop off to 10C or less (50F) - The garage will be insulated and heated - would it be a good idea to run the forced air furnace to maintain room temp?

That's all I have for now.

Thanks

Familyof8kids · Sep 3, 2012

Welcome to Garage Journal.

Christine is out this week. If you submit your question to the Epoxy-Coat website they will respond. Also if you go to Lowes check to see if they ship to your store.

Cobra6 · Sep 3, 2012

From http://www.epoxy-coat.com/frequently_asked.php#question_5

How long do I need to wait to coat new concrete with Epoxy-Coat®?
30 days

http://www.epoxy-coat.com/frequently_asked.php#question_6

What temperatures can I apply Epoxy-Coat®?
40-90 degrees F.

xrdad · Sep 4, 2012

And you can certainly get it in Canada :thumbup:

In my case, I had it shipped to Niagara NY and brought it across the border myself... but shipping it to my house was an option.

I haven't seen the product in any of our big box stores here yet. Without a doubt, talk to EC (Christine if you can).
Your temps and concrete age will be fine.

If it's not too late, make sure to tell the contractor to leave a broom finish on the concrete. Plenty of posts on here that explain it.

grawil · Sep 4, 2012

I looked into shipping epoxy-coat to Canada. Too expensive unless you can pick it up south of the border IMHO. You can contact enviro-epoxy and see if they have a dealer near you.

Frank Dreb · Sep 4, 2012

Thanks all, I will contact EC directly and see what the damage would be.

andyh · Sep 4, 2012

There is a distibutor in Calgary by the name of Dwayne Cook -I bought my Epoxy coat through him just over 3 years ago and was very happy with his service. (I'm in the Edmonton area). October in this area is a **** shoot -could be nice an warm or it could be colder than cold...
and your floor may not be warm enough even with the heat on. If you're looking for some chips in a custom mix of Oiler colours -I have some left over I might part with...

rugerlady · Sep 4, 2012

Familyof8kids said:
Welcome to Garage Journal.

Christine is out this week. If you submit your question to the Epoxy-Coat website they will respond. Also if you go to Lowes check to see if they ship to your store.

I am in this week, I responded to his PM. We did have Monday off for the holiday.

Frank Dreb · Sep 4, 2012

andyh said:
There is a distibutor in Calgary by the name of Dwayne Cook -I bought my Epoxy coat through him just over 3 years ago and was very happy with his service. (I'm in the Edmonton area). October in this area is a **** shoot -could be nice an warm or it could be colder than cold...
and your floor may not be warm enough even with the heat on. If you're looking for some chips in a custom mix of Oiler colours -I have some left over I might part with...

I just spoke to Dwayne tonight actually, nice fella. Andy - maybe you can help me out here. I'm hesitant on installing this in my garage because of slip concerns. My garage will be heated (18C year round) but I'm wondering if I'm going to break my neck if I'm out shoveling snow and come in with wet cold boots. I'd really like to finish the garage with a nice floor but I will not put myself or my family at any risk of slipping. I do not want to warn people to "be careful" when trekking through the garage.

As for the Oiler flakes - well lets just say I'm trying hard to become a fan but I moved up here in 06 and since that run it's been pretty sad. Future looks bright though! My first pick if I was to go hockey themed would be bleu blanc et rouge lol.

Christine - I did get your PM. Thanks. I will be dealing with Dwayne if I do decide to proceed with this product.

I have decided it's either epoxy or bare concrete, the tile options are just disgusting to me...and the racedeck and similar options - not for me.

Thanks all.

Frank Dreb · Sep 4, 2012

grawil said:
I looked into shipping epoxy-coat to Canada. Too expensive unless you can pick it up south of the border IMHO. You can contact enviro-epoxy and see if they have a dealer near you.

To be clear, this post is incorrect. Maybe where you live, but shipping to my location was a fair price.

K13 · Sep 4, 2012

Frank Dreb said:
To be clear, this post is incorrect. Maybe where you live, but shipping to my location was a fair price.

Did you get a quote on shipping from Calgary or the U.S. as there would be a HUGE difference?

Familyof8kids · Sep 4, 2012

If you are worried about slip then sprinkle slip resistant material in the top coat over bare epoxy. You can re-apply the slip resistant material overtime if it wears off. It will wear down due to use but it is different for everyone. Depends on how much was applied and how often the floor is used.

Bare concrete is slick when wet unless broom finish is your topcoat.

I applied a wax mixed with a fine slip resistant material over a sloppy painted floor and it worked great but was not for looks. Only thing is it wore down over 6 months near the entry/exit door but was easy to re-apply.

grawil · Sep 5, 2012

Frank Dreb said:
To be clear, this post is incorrect. Maybe where you live, but shipping to my location was a fair price.

Transporting hazardous materials across the boarder often means that the cost of shipping equals the cost of the materials. That's an issue for me.

Frank Dreb said:
I'm hesitant on installing this in my garage because of slip concerns. My garage will be heated (18C year round) but I'm wondering if I'm going to break my neck if I'm out shoveling snow and come in with wet cold boots.

A valid concern and especially with kids using the garage. Anti-slip powders will help but your best bet is to go and feel a couple of wet floors. Talk to your dealer.

Frank Dreb · Sep 5, 2012

K13 said:
Did you get a quote on shipping from Calgary or the U.S. as there would be a HUGE difference?

Shipping was quoted out of Calgary. I felt I should comment on that post as it was very discouraging for me to read at the time as a potential buyer, and not really fair to the people at E.C.

Shipping out of Calgary for two full kits was quoted at ~$90. Not bad, I'm used to paying shipping as I buy a lot of stuff online. And I can say that Dwayne is a good guy, he will do the best he can to help you out.

Frank Dreb · Sep 5, 2012

grawil said:
Transporting hazardous materials across the boarder often means that the cost of shipping equals the cost of the materials. That's an issue for me.

A valid concern and especially with kids using the garage. Anti-slip powders will help but your best bet is to go and feel a couple of wet floors. Talk to your dealer.

Hey I didn't mean to call you out or anything - maybe you don't have a dealer in your province. Fortunately we have a guy in Calgary that is able to ship to us in Edmonton.

I just wanted future readers of this thread to know that there are reasonable options to ship within Canada, providing there is a dealer within an area code or two.

Frank Dreb · Sep 5, 2012

Familyof8kids said:
You can re-apply the slip resistant material overtime if it wears off.

How would I go about doing that? - would I have to embed in a clear or something? Is there an epoxy safe coating I can get from Crappy tire or something? There will be a high traffic area from the mandoor in the garage to the main entry. I want to keep this area very safe as that is how our guests will be directed to enter and exit the house (Daughters bedroom is right beside the front door)

Familyof8kids said:
Bare concrete is slick when wet unless broom finish is your topcoat.

Yeah, I don't know of a builder around here who would put a polished concrete floor in a garage, we have aggregate driveways and I asked him if he could carry through to the garage and he said it would be too slippery.

K13 · Sep 5, 2012

Frank Dreb said:
Shipping was quoted out of Calgary. I felt I should comment on that post as it was very discouraging for me to read at the time as a potential buyer, and not really fair to the people at E.C.

Shipping out of Calgary for two full kits was quoted at ~$90. Not bad, I'm used to paying shipping as I buy a lot of stuff online. And I can say that Dwayne is a good guy, he will do the best he can to help you out.

It sounds like the people at EC didn't tell him about their Canadian distributors and just quoted him a price to ship from the U.S. If that is the case then grawil statement was not incorrect given the information he was provided with. It also seems strange that Christine didn't mention in her post about any Canadian distributors when comments had been made about the high cost of shipping.

From all accounts on here EC's customer service is second to none so I am not trying to knock them but I sometimes think U.S. based companies forget that it is a whole different ball game getting stuff to Canada as opposed to shipping within the U.S.

Td_20 · Sep 5, 2012

I looked at epoxy coat shipped from Calgary and was the same price for shipping as Legacy industry HD coating from NJ plus the broker fee.

I went with Legacy HD coating because of the 300 SQ foot coverage per kit and the soft skid additive for anti-slip and Epoxy coat dealer had special order the clear coat.

I got my chips on ebay, much cheaper even with cost of shipping.

FYI i am in Fort McMurray

K13 · Sep 5, 2012

Td_20 said:
I looked at epoxy coat shipped from Calgary and was the same price for shipping as Legacy industry HD coating from NJ plus the broker fee.

I went with Legacy HD coating because of the 300 SQ foot coverage per kit and the soft skid additive for anti-slip and Epoxy coat dealer had special order the clear coat.

I got my chips on ebay, much cheaper even with cost of shipping.

FYI i am in Fort McMurray

What did it cost to get it shipped to Ft. Mac?

Td_20 · Sep 5, 2012

Pm sent K13

andyh · Sep 5, 2012

My garage is heated as well (my HVAC son scored me a wicked deal on a Reznor and installation was free)and the floor can be slick with snowy boots but it is way better than the smooth concrete floor I had before that was deadly. We park inside all year round and the ability to easily clean up the winter **** from the car, spilt oil etc more than makes up for the little bit of slipperiness. A mat or a runner to take the snow off the boots works. My garage is 20 X 26 and I installed two full colour kits and 1.5 clear kits (the coating is fairly thick) by myself over the course of two days without much trouble. Reasonable shiiping costs never bother me as much as the BS "brokerage" charges by UPS for cross border items. Glad Dwayne was able to help. If you want to see my floor shoot me a PM.

grawil · Sep 5, 2012

Frank Dreb said:
Hey I didn't mean to call you out or anything - maybe you don't have a dealer in your province. Fortunately we have a guy in Calgary that is able to ship to us in Edmonton.

I just wanted future readers of this thread to know that there are reasonable options to ship within Canada, providing there is a dealer within an area code or two.

No worries Frank. E-C didn't suggest a Canadian dealer in Ontario when exchanged emails with them last year and I've not seen them suggest this in these forums previously. We discussed different shipping options on the phone but the only sensible one was me picking it up in Buffalo. I just found that there is now a Canadian website.

I ended up finding enviro-epoxy which manufacturers and sells in the GTA and I've been happy with their product.

Frank Dreb · Sep 9, 2012

Well I was able to take a look at another users epoxy coat floor yesterday.

Andyh was kind enough to let me check out his garage. His floor is ~3 years old so it was a great opportunity to see how it would hold up over time. I have to say I'm pretty impressed. He did a very nice job and it has held up very well. I will be adding a substantial amount of the non slip additive however, the floor would definitely be slippery with any kind of wetness.

Took the plunge and bought two full kits, as my garage is ~600ft2. Dwayne was able to cut me a deal on shipping as well. :rocker:

It will be probably close to a month before I am able to install as we are not in the new house yet, but I will update with pics when I do.

Cheers

Motofixxer · Sep 9, 2012

Be sure to lay it down as soon as possible epoxy does have a short shelf life. If your overly concerned on the slip aspect buy some rubber backed runner type rugs for high traffic areas.

brownbagg · Sep 9, 2012

if the humity is high, the epoxy will take forever to dry, i had one that took four days

rugerlady · Sep 11, 2012

Typically I do price it out myself. Dwayne does charge more for the kits because he has to recoup some of his costs for shipping it to him from the states. I will be more mindful of referring Canadians to Dwayne in the future! Thanks.

mobgma · Sep 11, 2012

rugerlady - Is Dwayne able to PM me pricing on a kit. I need to do about 816 sq ft. 24'x34' garage.

I am in Edmonton, AB, Canada.

rugerlady · Sep 11, 2012

Dwayne is not on GJ that I know of. you can send him an email at [email protected]

Frank Dreb · Sep 13, 2012

Some more questions - instead of PM'ing I hope to have them answered here.

1) Primer vs. No Primer: Primer seems to be the flavor of the week around here, however I do think two coats of epoxy, whether it's a primer coat and finish coat or just two finish coats are better than one.

I have 2 full kits (1000 ft) for my 625 square foot garage. I think I have enough product to do a poor "primer coat" before a final coat. I guess my question is how far can you spread this product? Can you stretch say 300ft worth of product over 600ft? I'd like to divide the product up so that I'd still have 700ft2 for the "final" coat.

2) Compatible polyurea topcoats, and where to buy? Does benjamin moore/general paints/home depot/ etc carry a product that would be compatible? I do believe we have access to rocksolid products, would their topcoat be compatible? The reason I ask is I believe I am a few weeks away from getting a clear from E.C.

3) Clear coat and slip resistance: - This is the most important to me. I want to go a fairly heavy fleck, and worried that there won't be enough exposed epoxy for the aluminum oxide to stick to. Thats why I'm thinking of a finish clear that I can put a liberal amount of slip resistance on. Or will the flakes and whatever aluminum oxide provide enough slip resistance as it is, without the clear.

Thanks

Familyof8kids · Sep 13, 2012

Frank Dreb said:
1) Primer vs. No Primer: I guess my question is how far can you spread this product?

2) Compatible polyurea topcoats, and where to buy? Does benjamin moore/general paints/home depot/ etc carry a product that would be compatible? I do believe we have access to rocksolid products, would their topcoat be compatible? The reason I ask is I believe I am a few weeks away from getting a clear from E.C.

3) Clear coat and slip resistance: - This is the most important to me. I want to go a fairly heavy fleck, and worried that there won't be enough exposed epoxy for the aluminum oxide to stick to. Thats why I'm thinking of a finish clear that I can put a liberal amount of slip resistance on. Or will the flakes and whatever aluminum oxide provide enough slip resistance as it is, without the clear.

Thanks

This is per my Epoxy-Coat Epoxy and Polyurea Topcoat with H&C SHARKGRIP additive

1. You can do the math of 2.4 quart of Part A to .8 quart of Part B and that is 2/1 ratio and will cover 100 sq. ft. per MFG data. After you have that mixed you are set to cover the area you want to cover if the area is 10x10 or you mark out in your case 10x12.5 (125 sq. ft. x 5 = 625 sq ft.) and it will cover that area no problem just will be a little thinner. I suggest using EC as your primer since you have 2 full kits. You will have some flake sticking up on the 2nd think coat but the clear will almost cover all of them.

2. I suggest the EC Polyurea because that is all I have used and it went on easily, actually to easy. Pot life was longer than I thought per other Polyurea stories. You need to work fast or backroll marks will show when you **** your small section together. Mine did not because I was get n it. The EC Polyurea will cover your 625 sqft easily.

3. GET A CLEAR COAT!!! Protect that colored money coat. It also helps bring the colors together if you are using flake. You can also put SHARKGRIP by H&C into the top coat. I used 5 tablespoons with the 3 gallons and it has a slight slip (Perfect for me) but if you are in an area with snow I would suggest more than I used per gallon of the SHARKGRIP. It did not cloud my topcoat at all. The EC had chunks of flake that were up and did provide some slip resistance but my opinion is not enough for snowy areas.

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