wantedabiggergarage
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I remember there was a small claims court case against a computer manufacturer, where they plaintiff, served the electronic make your own pc box.
Major tool brand horror story
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I remember there was a small claims court case against a computer manufacturer, where they plaintiff, served the electronic make your own pc box.
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ManicMechanic
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Good news, I got a court date concerning the tool dealer. Since the amount is over 5K, it's a civil suit. I think I got it in the bag though. I'll update after court. (jan. 19th)
Joe H
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Good to hear you may finally get your money back.
Mach1Guy
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Who was the matco dealer? Eric something from out by Monroeville? Or was it the matco dealer from up by Syracuse that worked in the Fort?
Its odd that Matco credit did not keep up on this. With Snap On if you get more than a mounth behind they call you, but people going behind also effects the deals a dealer can make, If more than 3 people in his area are deliquent for more than a mounth it will affect the dealer.
Its also very odd that Matco credit could not reprint your recipts. I know I can call Snap on right now and they can give me a print out of everything Ive ever purchased. Inclduing all the tool boxes Ive purchased.
I would look into this more becuase this could possibly effect your credit. Im not saying that this didnt happen, but something isnt right here, I hope it works out in your favor.
A word to wise out there, when I make any payments on my box I keep track of all the recipts in a binder, I always check the amounts from previous weeks to make sure my payment was made, and I check the payoff mounthly.
Its also very odd that Matco credit could not reprint your recipts. I know I can call Snap on right now and they can give me a print out of everything Ive ever purchased. Inclduing all the tool boxes Ive purchased.
I would look into this more becuase this could possibly effect your credit. Im not saying that this didnt happen, but something isnt right here, I hope it works out in your favor.
A word to wise out there, when I make any payments on my box I keep track of all the recipts in a binder, I always check the amounts from previous weeks to make sure my payment was made, and I check the payoff mounthly.
D.J.
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Vinko
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How much do you have to pay a lawyer to do all this?
Just in general: it's always seemed to me that the fallout from (relatively) small purchases like this always seem to cost more to litigate than the product's worth. But I suppose you've not yet litigated, just filed a complaint, which you don't even need to have a lawyer do. But I guess a lawyer freaks people out more than just a regular guy.
Then of course, you get a judgment against the guy, collecting becomes another painful task.
Just in general: it's always seemed to me that the fallout from (relatively) small purchases like this always seem to cost more to litigate than the product's worth. But I suppose you've not yet litigated, just filed a complaint, which you don't even need to have a lawyer do. But I guess a lawyer freaks people out more than just a regular guy.
Then of course, you get a judgment against the guy, collecting becomes another painful task.
Dan Roy was the dealer im not shure where he lived. Eric is no longer a dealer he has a auto repair shop in Fort Wayne now he got out of the tool busness just over a month ago.
daveblank
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Did the dealer give you a hand written receipt or a computer receipt?
blazemaster83
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Im glad to hear this. I hate hearing about sheisty biz practice, and this definitely falls under that category. I hope that guy gets what is coming to him, good luck in court buddy!
crewchief888
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i guess now that keeping 20 plus year of tool reciepts wasnt such a bad idea.
i dont make any major purchases anymore, if i need something, it's usually not over $300 or so, and i have it on a truck account, paid with a check.
ive seen waaaaayyyy too many upstart dealers in the past 5 or 6 years, and i havent found one yet that i trusted.last time i walked onto a snappy truck with a broken ball end driver, the new dealer wanted my life history, after explaining to him and the district manager, that all i wanted was a bit replaced, i was a little agitated when i walked off the truck. i had a phone call and when i went back outside the truck was gone along with my socket. thankfully i had a spare and finished up what i was doing. just so happened the very next week i was at the shop picking up parts when he came back. he wasnt even out of the truck, and i demanded my socket back, replaced or not., told him if he ever layed a hand of my tools or boxes again he'd draw back a ****** stump!!
i found another dealer and got the bit replaced, no questions asked
he came back weekly for about a month trying to sell us everything he thought we should have, after being laughed at several times he's gone and not come back.
from what i heard from another dealer, he's out of business already
i dont make any major purchases anymore, if i need something, it's usually not over $300 or so, and i have it on a truck account, paid with a check.
ive seen waaaaayyyy too many upstart dealers in the past 5 or 6 years, and i havent found one yet that i trusted.last time i walked onto a snappy truck with a broken ball end driver, the new dealer wanted my life history, after explaining to him and the district manager, that all i wanted was a bit replaced, i was a little agitated when i walked off the truck. i had a phone call and when i went back outside the truck was gone along with my socket. thankfully i had a spare and finished up what i was doing. just so happened the very next week i was at the shop picking up parts when he came back. he wasnt even out of the truck, and i demanded my socket back, replaced or not., told him if he ever layed a hand of my tools or boxes again he'd draw back a ****** stump!!
i found another dealer and got the bit replaced, no questions asked
he came back weekly for about a month trying to sell us everything he thought we should have, after being laughed at several times he's gone and not come back.
from what i heard from another dealer, he's out of business already
rsanter
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I had a problem with a MAC dealer one time
bought a toolbox and didnt like it so I gave it back
he screwed something up and the company didnt have record of me returning it and the guy was out of buisness shortly after
what a total pain to get that fixed, tool like a year to get it straightened out
bob
bought a toolbox and didnt like it so I gave it back
he screwed something up and the company didnt have record of me returning it and the guy was out of buisness shortly after
what a total pain to get that fixed, tool like a year to get it straightened out
bob
could the DM have been in on the scam???
comedyman809
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guys, i dont know...when i drop big money on anything, i would go directly to the company and i would make sure there is a huge paper trail. yes i would want the local dealer(if i like him) to get the commision, my credit report is more important to me then his paycheck.
small stuff i dont care about, but about 500 and up in one sale...is going to have me buy through the manufacturer or dealer with a bunch of paperwork to let all know of the sale.
and i think financing anything other than a house or car is stupid. if you arnt liquid for it, then you cant afford it... plain and simple.
credit follows you forever. if you need a 26,000 dollar tool box and set, then you dam well better have the cash. if not, then you doomed for debt, nice tools are thing we all want to have, not need to have.
if you need a huge tool set for your new business, and you do not have the 50 g's to buy it, then you better step off the snap on truck, and cart your *** to sears, and then on to harbor frieght.
small stuff i dont care about, but about 500 and up in one sale...is going to have me buy through the manufacturer or dealer with a bunch of paperwork to let all know of the sale.
and i think financing anything other than a house or car is stupid. if you arnt liquid for it, then you cant afford it... plain and simple.
credit follows you forever. if you need a 26,000 dollar tool box and set, then you dam well better have the cash. if not, then you doomed for debt, nice tools are thing we all want to have, not need to have.
if you need a huge tool set for your new business, and you do not have the 50 g's to buy it, then you better step off the snap on truck, and cart your *** to sears, and then on to harbor frieght.
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M900
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Wait! I though when you buy a box, you buy it from the dealer; not snap-on... am I wrong?
bennyy
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Holy cow, I had the same experience as ManicMechanic. One day I received an letter from a name brand company, saying I owe them $. I called and talked with one of the person who handles my case, I told her that I already paid off everything with the dealer about 6 months ago. Man, it was scary for me (new tech). Ended up calling the credit card company to pull my old statement to prove that I paid it all off. I tired calling the tool dealer and no longer in service, not to mention he still haven't delivery my toolcart that I ordered 6 months ago.
I wouldnt have given the thing back to the tool company if I had paid it off. Seems to me like the dealer collecting payments and remitting them to the company is acting as an agent of the company. If he is embezzling and stealing the money you paid to the company, its the tool company's problem not yours. Of course receipts would help here....
So you run a shop, spend that much money on something and didn't save and receipts?
Other than the fact you owe money on it and it's a recorded proof of payment, it's a write off if it's purchased for work.
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ManicMechanic
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Sorry guys, been pretty busy here. Good news, The Judge awarded me $6200 and for the ******** to pay my lawyers fees. The pinhead has 90 days to make good on the judgment, so of course I'm still waiting. Going to use the money to pay off my Snap-on account and pay off some other bills from Christmas. I'm hoping That I'll have enough left over to buy that 72" Montezuma Elite (which I will give a full review on). Not to down play anyone elses reviews on the Montezuma box, but I want to give one that is based on everyday use in a busy auto shop. And I'm curious if all my **** will fit in it
deathbound
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Good news, hope you keep ALL receipts & keep track of payments, etc. in the future, follow-ups with the creditor to make sure all payments are being credited also. Might be a pain in the ***, but I'm sure you don't want to got through that again.
tonydanzah
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Glad to hear it, I hope you get your monies quick.
MrMark
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I'm glad you got a judgment. It will be interesting to see if you collect. That will be the hard part.
Upon reading through this thread, I was left to wonder why the hell you gave that box back, receipts or not.
The fact that the Truck driver did not give Matco your money is not your problem - it's theirs. He is their collection agent and you can't be responsible for what their collection agent does.
You could have proved up the receipts with your testimony and the testimony of others. Including the testimony of the driver, once you found him.
It sounds like you were sorely in need of some advice but did not get it.
Upon reading through this thread, I was left to wonder why the hell you gave that box back, receipts or not.
The fact that the Truck driver did not give Matco your money is not your problem - it's theirs. He is their collection agent and you can't be responsible for what their collection agent does.
You could have proved up the receipts with your testimony and the testimony of others. Including the testimony of the driver, once you found him.
It sounds like you were sorely in need of some advice but did not get it.
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ManicMechanic
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Thanks guys. As far as collecting, I sure as hell hope The douche bag pays. But I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there
manic_mechanic
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O/T...Was wondering why I had to underscore my name. 
But I hope everything ends well for you.
But I hope everything ends well for you.
Sick Puppy
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Good luck, I hope (like everyone else) that he pays, both in cash and karma!
No offence meant, but I hope you've learnt to keep receipts after this!
No offence meant, but I hope you've learnt to keep receipts after this!
arizonaadam
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Wow, that's the quickest judgment from start to finish ever in history. Especially considering you had no receipts. Congrats. Oh, and the fact that the small claims limit in Kentucky is $1500. To get that case through circuit court in that amount of time is astonishing. Did the defendant show up to court?
One other thing, the scenario you describe is a CRIME. I think you ought to report it to the police. The dealer took payments and didn't turn them over. That's theft or embezzlement, or fraud, or false pretenses, or whatever you call it in Kentucky. Local police would certainly take note of that much money, especially if there are multiple victims.
If not for you, at least report it to protect his next victim.
One other thing, the scenario you describe is a CRIME. I think you ought to report it to the police. The dealer took payments and didn't turn them over. That's theft or embezzlement, or fraud, or false pretenses, or whatever you call it in Kentucky. Local police would certainly take note of that much money, especially if there are multiple victims.
If not for you, at least report it to protect his next victim.
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Vinko
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@Manic: how long did it take you to get it through court from start to finish (i.e. from filing to judgment?)
babzog
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Can you file a lien against his car, house, other property, etc? What about wage garnishment?
arizonaadam
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From his posts, his attorney located the guy 9/19/2009 and he won his court case on 1/19/2010.
Vinko
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James E
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That's crazy fast.
Then again, D-bags who steal money rarely show up in court to defend themselves. What looks like a slam dunk when the judge grants you a default judgement (where the defendant doesn't show up) winds up being moot because the D-bag never pays.
I won a case in small claims court when I was a freshman in college. Judgement was under $200. Defendant didn't bother to show up so I won. That was twenty two years ago. I've never seen a dime from the guy and he still lives here in town. The judgement fell off his credit report years ago.
Then again, D-bags who steal money rarely show up in court to defend themselves. What looks like a slam dunk when the judge grants you a default judgement (where the defendant doesn't show up) winds up being moot because the D-bag never pays.
I won a case in small claims court when I was a freshman in college. Judgement was under $200. Defendant didn't bother to show up so I won. That was twenty two years ago. I've never seen a dime from the guy and he still lives here in town. The judgement fell off his credit report years ago.
warmpancakes
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Thats why after the default Judgement you get a seizure judgement and you and the sheriff go take stuff to cover your 200.00
Vinko
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78Bird
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You can renew them forever, but it's annoying in that YOU have to do it...
Too late now since it fell off his credit, but as an FYI for the future just in case.
I had one against a guy, he obviously wasn't gonna pay untill he tried to buy a house and that's a MAJOR ding and he had to pay it or not get the loan... hehe.
Too late now, but as an FYI for the future just in case.