Toolhorder
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Looking to get a cordless impact gun. Anyone have any suggestions or reviews?
Best cordless 1/2 impact gun?
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Toolhorder
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Well generally just taking off wheel lug nuts, bolts, etc..
GeorgiaHybrid
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I'm kinda partial to my Snappy gun when a trip to the pull-a-part is required...
z28snksknr
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NOT a craftsman gun. Paid $100 for mine and it struggles to get a lug nut off I put on by hand with a 3/4" ratchet.
Chief
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I believe the question was best, not best for the money. I am quite impressed with my Milwaukee, though perhaps not best it is more than adequate now that I have upgraded the battery to LiIon.
EDIT: yes those prices are insane, I prefer to look at Amazon.
chadster1
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Which one do you have? The newer 19.2v C3 stuff?
I was wondering about that impact when I was at sears. If it's not as good, I guess I'll stick with my Ingersoll cordless.
tpolley
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surely you're talking about the craftsman 1/4 inch impact. they have a 1/2 inch impact now.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40475
check out page 4
there is a link to a quick youtube video of me removing a few lug nuts on my f-250 that are torqued to 140 ft/lbs. it didn't struggle at all. the impact is rated at 200tlbs. yeah there are impacts that have 300 or 400 ftlbs but they cost 3 or 4 times as much. honestly if all you're doing is removing lug nuts do you really need 300 or 400 ftlbs for the additional cost?
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tat rubber handle *****, it's like crude magnet. pain to clean up. it sits in my box side by side with the IR W360, I grab the IR 90% of the time.
If you want that, wait until the Li-ion version comes out, or look at the Matco Infinium gun.
NiCd Is completely useless, out dated technology, plus its bad for the environment.
chadster1
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I will agree that NiCad is old technology. But it is in no way whatsoever completely useless. The guns that I am selling now with Nicad batteries are still bad *** cordless impacts. Just because something newer comes out does not render the previos technology useless. That is like saying that DVD's are completely useless because Blu-ray has come out. As for the environmental impact, I am sure that the Li-ion batteries are just as bad for the environment if they are disposed of improperly.
Zrexxer
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That may well be true, but at $529 I'll probably have to settle for
"http://www.illegitimatebastardchildofallcordlessimpactwrenches.com"
chadster1
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Major Ramifications
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I don't know if I have ever laughed so hard at something on this site. Congratulations, that was clever.
I have used an air tank and pneumatic impact at the Pull-A-Part. It worked better than I expected. I brought my compact Dewalt 14.4 impact driver last time, and it did OK, but there was one fastener it would not remove.
NiCD vs Li-Ion is like VHS vs HVD, and you are wrong about the environmental thing
Rocket1
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I don't see how the NiCD can be useless though... Li-ion may be better but looking at my tools none are Li-ion and I've been happy with them. Are they as good as the newer technology? I guess it depends on how you want to look at it really. Both get the job done
If you must have the newest tech than go with a Li-ion battery powered unit. If doing the job is what's important than you have more options. Seems like all that most reviews of the Snap On unit have been favorable and several say its what they measure the other units against.
If you must have the newest tech than go with a Li-ion battery powered unit. If doing the job is what's important than you have more options. Seems like all that most reviews of the Snap On unit have been favorable and several say its what they measure the other units against.
GeorgiaHybrid
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I have the older 3850 version of that gun and despite what you might think, it's far from being "useless". It has been used at the track, in junkyards, out on the side of the road, borrowed, abused and is still going strong. What do you require you tools to do? If they don't cook your breakfast and clean your house, they are "useless"???
Fine, I'll concede that NiCd isnt useless, and the SO gun is a fine tool overall, however NiCd powered tools have NEVER failed to piss me off
chadster1
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Quit arguing with your tools.
lol! anyone ever seen the movie Kingpin? "WHO YOU CALLIN A PSYCHO?!"
truckdriver
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The only thing that Li-ion has over Nicad is less shelve charge loss and it's lighter. 18V is 18V no matter what the technology if the ahr is the same. Li-ion fanboys forget to tell you that they also lose 10% of capacity every year from the moment they are PRODUCED not put in srvice. Li-ion batteries also lose charge when subjected to cold weather. I have both types and prefer the Li-ion but it's not the end all be all. I love my CT4850 even though it's the non HO version at ONLY 550 tq. I'd take it over any other brand any day of the week.
caper
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OK,Why are you using a 3/4" ratchet to install a lug nut?It's easy enough to over torque one with a 1/2" powerhandle or long ratchet let alone stepping up to 3/4"dr.I wouldn't expect a cordless impact to remove something I tightened with a 3/4" dr ratchet.
bry@n
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Be careful, you don't wann get munsoned.
Something can always piss you off.
That's hilarious.
I agree with you 100%. I have the 4850 and have the one that can adapt to the Li-ion batteries, but why? I'll wait till I need to cause I a happy as a pig in **** with what I have. I really wish it were lighter but hey, there's always next time.
I respectfully would like to challenge much of this information posted, I think you are a snap on fanboy, refusing to accept the fact that Li-Ion batteries are better.
What-ever to each their own, I will stick with Li Ion batteries which have given me flawless service, NiCd batteries have obviously done the same for some of you
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truckdriver
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I respectfully would like to challenge much of this information posted, I think you are a snap on fanboy, refusing to accept the fact that Li-Ion batteries are better.
What-ever to each their own, I will stick with Li Ion batteries which have given me flawless service, NiCd batteries have obviously done the same for some of you
I stated that Li-ion was better. I also stated it wasn't the end all be all. It has it's drawbacks. I have both the Bosch 10.8V and Makita LXT Li-ion tools and I love them. Li-ion only advantage is it doesn't loose charge(unless subjected to cold temps) while being stored and they are lighter. They are not user rebuildable like ni-cads and lose capacity from the day they are produced. They are not one bit more powerful than ni-cads as I stated earlier, 18V is 18V, and run time is based on amp hrs.
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tpolley
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i don't believe this thread was meant to be a ******* match between lithium ion and nicad batteries. you guys ought to start a new thread for that.
http://www.batterybank.com/whatisnicad.html
What is the difference between NiCad, NiMH and Lithium Ion batteries?
Nicad vs. NiMh
The main difference between the two is that NiMH battery (the newer technology of the two) offers higher energy density than NiCads. In other words, the capacity of a NiMH is approximately twice the capacity of its NiCad counterpart. What this means is for you is increased run-time from the battery with no additional bulk or weight. NiMH also offers another major advantage: NiCad batteries tend to suffer from what is called the "memory effect". NiMH batteries are less prone to develop this problem and thus require less maintenance and conditioning. NiMH batteries are also environmentally friendlier than NiCad batteries since they do not contain heavy metals (which present serious landfill problems). Note: Not all devices can accept both NiCad or NiMH batteries.
Lithium Ion
Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) has become the new standard for portable power in consumer devices. Li-Ion batterys produce the same energy as NiMH battery but weighs approximately 20%-35% less. This is can make a noticeable difference in devices such as cellular phones, camcorders or notebook computers where the battery makes up a significant portion of the total weight. Another reason Li-Ion batteries have become so popular is that they do not suffer from the "memory effect" at all. They are also environmentally friendly because they don't contain toxic materials such as Cadmium or Mercury.
What is the difference between NiCad, NiMH and Lithium Ion batteries?
Nicad vs. NiMh
The main difference between the two is that NiMH battery (the newer technology of the two) offers higher energy density than NiCads. In other words, the capacity of a NiMH is approximately twice the capacity of its NiCad counterpart. What this means is for you is increased run-time from the battery with no additional bulk or weight. NiMH also offers another major advantage: NiCad batteries tend to suffer from what is called the "memory effect". NiMH batteries are less prone to develop this problem and thus require less maintenance and conditioning. NiMH batteries are also environmentally friendlier than NiCad batteries since they do not contain heavy metals (which present serious landfill problems). Note: Not all devices can accept both NiCad or NiMH batteries.
Lithium Ion
Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) has become the new standard for portable power in consumer devices. Li-Ion batterys produce the same energy as NiMH battery but weighs approximately 20%-35% less. This is can make a noticeable difference in devices such as cellular phones, camcorders or notebook computers where the battery makes up a significant portion of the total weight. Another reason Li-Ion batteries have become so popular is that they do not suffer from the "memory effect" at all. They are also environmentally friendly because they don't contain toxic materials such as Cadmium or Mercury.
truckdriver
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http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-5.htm
Aging is a concern with most lithium-ion batteries and many manufacturers remain silent about this issue. Some capacity deterioration is noticeable after one year, whether the battery is in use or not. The battery frequently fails after two or three years. It should be noted that other chemistries also have age-related degenerative effects. This is especially true for nickel-metal-hydride if exposed to high ambient temperatures. At the same time, lithium-ion packs are known to have served for five years in some applications.
Aging is a concern with most lithium-ion batteries and many manufacturers remain silent about this issue. Some capacity deterioration is noticeable after one year, whether the battery is in use or not. The battery frequently fails after two or three years. It should be noted that other chemistries also have age-related degenerative effects. This is especially true for nickel-metal-hydride if exposed to high ambient temperatures. At the same time, lithium-ion packs are known to have served for five years in some applications.
I have the Snapon 6855 on order and have owned the predecessor with the NiCad power.. the 6855 is more or less same with a Li Ion battery.. top quality, and great performance, still made in the USA (gun), and Batteries in Japan.
wellstig1
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The snap on site lists the ct6855 as the same price as the nicad kit. I'm wondering if it still comes with 2 batteries.
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/sear...nsfr=true&search_type=Part&store=snapon-store
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/sear...nsfr=true&search_type=Part&store=snapon-store
There are currently two that you can get.. the 6855 comes with one Li Ion, which alone sell for about $220, and the 6850 which is the same exact unit but with 2 NiCad batteries. The 4850 was a version that you couldn't charge Li Ion batteries with, whereas the 6850 is the same gun but the charger works on both types of batteries.. The main thing is the wait... I ordered with an expected delivery date of Nov 11, and I'm still waiting on my 6855.. maybe a dealer whos' got more insight can fill us in on the delay?
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Well, you don't see many negative posts on these discussions, but my 3xx ft-lb rated 18V Dewalt was a complete wimp. I tried multiple batteries, even took it to the service center...it still took 10+ seconds to pull a 105ft-lb lug off my Corvette. Of course by the time you had 4 wheels off you were deaf. I sold it. The lower rated smaller model was just as strong. I like most all of my dewalt tools, but I'd pass on that one. (the cutout tool kinda ***** as well)
I was never trying to start a ******* match, the power source is a critical component of any cordless tool.
I think the OP should get a Matco Infinium gun then post a review for all of us here
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I have one of these at home used for "side jobs". Anyways, there is some uber rich customer that comes into our shop regularly (Corvette collector)and he asked me to come to his house and do some work for him. Long story short, he had an old Impala SS rolling chassis he wanted dissembled for powder coating. I was able to get everything off and dissembled one one charge. I was very impressed.
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Does this
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...group_ID=21565&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
comes with Li Ion battery?
The one i have now says "nickel cadmium battery"
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...group_ID=21565&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
comes with Li Ion battery?
The one i have now says "nickel cadmium battery"
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