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Garage Evolution...lots of pics

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During snow months, the 356 goes on the lift and the Benzes stay on the ground. I did not have a problem with the suspension.

Interesting about the deck walk, I never gave it a thought and the inspector did not say anything. You are right, you wouldn't want to fall off it.

Yea, I'm sure you know what happens when the suspension droops for that long a time. Maybe you're ok with that car, I'm not familiar with the suspension setup on those. On a newer BMW, it would stretch out any rubber bushings.

That deck would likely require a handrail of some kind over my way. I forget what the height threshold is before you require a handrail. If the inspector didn't flag it, you might have different rules in your area.
 
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Yea, I'm sure you know what happens when the suspension droops for that long a time. Maybe you're ok with that car, I'm not familiar with the suspension setup on those. On a newer BMW, it would stretch out any rubber bushings.

That deck would likely require a handrail of some kind over my way. I forget what the height threshold is before you require a handrail. If the inspector didn't flag it, you might have different rules in your area.

Actually, I'm not familiar with what happens to drooping suspensions. I did talk with seasoned vintage MB and 356 mechanics and they said not to worry about it. The Porsche is my choice in the air because it's the lightest, 2K lbs. I understand what you're saying about stretching out rubber bushings, I'll watch for that.

I think the handrail threshold here is 4'.

Looked at your garage, WOW! Really like those cabinets and countertop. Great space you have there. I'm way to cheap to buy that kind of quality cabinetry. Maybe someday I'll succumb.
 

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1961 190 SL No powerhouse, but, she is pretty. Merc's baby brother (sister?) to the 300 SL at the urging of Max Hoffman, the father of foreign sportscars in the USA, that Merc produce a more drivable and affordable alternative. About 26K were produced between 1955 and 1963.

The red SL in the garage is the next generation of the Merc SLs, designed by Paul Bracq

Thanks for sharing the photos and info. I have always been a porsche guy but these merc's have me salivating..
 

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With your tall ceilings, I'd assume the attic space is just that, attic space? Is there an access to it? I couldn't see it inthe pics, my guess it's in the storage room.
 
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M900, the pipe on the deck is a clean out for the drains. It runs under the deck and then follows the driveway down to the culvert.

Nuttsgt, there is an attic. It's accessible from the room with the blowers and mowers. I really have no use for it. I use the one in the "daily" garage quite extensively.

Thanks, Dave.
 

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Thanks for the compliments, guys.

I do very much enjoy working in the new garage and am learning to do more things for myself on the vintage cars. Regular maintenance, tuning, interior work, detailing, general fixing is where I'm at now. I did pull the ****** on the 190 SL when the throw out bearing was binding and fixed that, but that's about as deep as I've gone. Suspension work, engine rebuilds, rear end rebuilds, brake jobs, welding, are all skills I need to learn. The problem is, other than paid professionals, I have no one to teach me. The guys who do the heavy lifting on my Mercedes, www.blackforestllc.com are a great bunch and top notch professionals. I'm very friendly with them and they're very helpful and willing, but, I can only make so much of a pest of myself. After all, they are running a business. I don't know qualified DIYers, locally, that want to just play on a weekend doing heavy lifting. My buddy for that is in Georgia. Anyway, I'll get there eventually.

Johnny, the brick is new. It's not an uncommon brick, but, I agree, I couldn't believe how it matched right out of the box. The house is 23 years old. The brick on the walks and aprons are the same, just the other surface.

JC, the cars in the pics are the toys. The daily drivers are in the other garage, the grey one that I did first. I think the UCoatit product is excellent. Water based and very easy to use. It lifted under the tires, but who's to say I prepared the floor as well as I should have. Also, there was some cement patching that was done that was not holding, no fault of the paint. After doing the hobby garage in the epoxy slurry, it was inevitable that I would eventually do the same in the daily garage. The stuff just performs unbelievably, I can't say enough about it. It's not cheap, but it is forever.

Garage is 21 X 32. Eight foot doors. Trellis, being attached, satisfied the city that the second garage is attached and allowed me to max out at those dimensions because of setback codes.

I've been fortunate to be able to pursue my hobby and build a garage I enjoy. I've been reading the "how does everyone afford so much" thread with great interest. I'm 56 now and closed a family business when I was 33 and just married. Had no money to speak of (I'd put it all in the business) and was living off my wife's $14K/year income. Took nine months off, it was some of the best time of my life. Went into the investment business, advising individuals and did well. I've never paid interest on a credit card balance and paid off the mortgages on my previous house and my current house (many years ago), the one you see. Since 1984, I have not had a new car. I used to buy cars for my wife and me for 6K, usually used Cadillacs, drive them for a few years and sell them for 3 or 4K. Just comfortable transportation. I started driving nicer cars in 1999, when I bought a '97 Mercedes with 6K miles on it. Three weeks ago, we just sold my wife's 1999 BMW 540i wagon that I bought in 2002 with 85K miles on it for $24K ($60K new). It had 200k miles on it and I got a whopping $4K for it. Bought her a 2004 Lexus RX330 with 28K miles on it for $19K. 4 wheel drive, hatchback, reliable...she'll be happy in the snow (unlike the BMW). What I've saved over the years not driving the latest and greatest, like many of my coworkers and neighbors, probably paid for the new garage. I live way below my means, save 50% or more of my after tax. No cleaning help, no landscape help, no snow plowers, one family trip/year, not a lot spent on clothes, no fancy private schools (although I'll have two in college next two years), not all the trappings that a lot of folks who can't afford it seem to need. I'm not depriving myself (as you can see), my wife and I just don't feel a lot of need for the things that end up being worthless. So, as someone in the other thread mentioned, sure, at today's mortgage rates, one conceivably could earn more on their money. But, it's not without risk. Paying off debt is the riskless investment. Without debt, a whole lot can go wrong, job, health, economy, weather, etc., before the trouble hits home for real. It's not how much you make (although it helps), it's how you choose to live.

Words to live by - thanks for writing them.:bowdown: I live this way and can NEVER hear it enough. So many of my colleagues wonder HOW I have 6 cars, a big well-equiped shop, hot tub, etc....but they all live in the $600K new homes, drive new cars, have had the big-screens and all that for years ahead of us.
Case in point: I just started with a new company, hired on with a lady at the same time. We both get a $720 car allowance, plus 9CENTS a KM. She bought a 2010 AWD BMW for $56K. I bought a 1996 Dodge Caravan (LOADED mind you) for $14K. Cash. And I still sweated about it!

GREAT Garage and toys - absolutely love the covered walk and brick work!
 

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I'm gonna chime in again here, cause I didn't properly credit your "stuff" - and I say stuff cuase I don't know which I like/want more: the garage, the walkway, the brickwork or the cars!!! Lucky man - great build!!:bowdown:

I know what I'll be borrowing - the walkway cover will fit well in my yard and it a great divider to your yard. Great planning.:thumbup:
 
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I'm gonna chime in again here, cause I didn't properly credit your "stuff" - and I say stuff cuase I don't know which I like/want more: the garage, the walkway, the brickwork or the cars!!! Lucky man - great build!!:bowdown:

I know what I'll be borrowing - the walkway cover will fit well in my yard and it a great divider to your yard. Great planning.:thumbup:

Thank you, I feel fortunate and enjoy it immensely.
 
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I enjoyed all 3 pages!. Once we get to building our house, I saw a few ideas we'll be able to use, the walkway being one. We put a floor drain in our brick garage and a tankless water heater for indoor washing during the winter. It's great. In our newest Morton building, we didn't put in floor drains because the cars that are housed there aren't driven in the rain/snow. When we build our house with attached garage, we'll probably have floor drains ("French" drains). Our thread in the garage gallery is listed below if you want to see what we've been doing in our restoration of a 19302 garage and the new Morton building we just finished:


http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51567

I enjoyed all the details in your pictures.

Also, the way you handle your personal finances is very similar to what we've always done. Many just don't get it. But we're very happy. Giving to the church (tithing) is first, then helping at the local food pantries and shelters with donations is on top of that. Our kids never knew that you could shop for food without coupons or sales! We try to "cash-flow" everything - no balances on credit cards, ever! If we can't pay cash for it, we don't need it. We don't have cable TV (no time or patience to sit and watch what seems like "drivvel" anyway) and we've never played the Lottery. It may appear we have more "things" than others and/or more than we need, but many of the "things" are other peoples' cast-offs that still have useful life (I got a great leather coat left behind by a student when they moved out of our apartment building! and the local shelters benefit from all the bedding, clothing, dishes, pots/pans, small appliances, etc., that are left behind, too). We once bought an old pickup truck back in 1977 for a quarter (yes, 25 cents) that a farmer abandoned in a field. It had no floor in the cab and no heat. The bed was usable, though a bit rusty. We welded in a floor and drove that pickup for 6 years hauling furniture for our furnished apartment buildings. Never did fix the heat. Sold it for $250. Our neighbors didn't like to see it parked outside, but we didn't have a garage at the time. Oh, well.

We've got 13 licensed vehicles *we run all our daily drivers to over 120000miles:

3 daily drivers (2001 Taurus wagon[mine], 99 Solara, 99 Eclipse GSX (4WD)

99 Mitsubishi VR4 (only made a few - last year made) (5000 miles - bought 7(?) years ago with 500 miles)

93 Mark VIII (my show car - bought in 2002 with 45000 miles on it - 13000 miles now - not usually trailered unless hail is imminent - 2 shows only in its life) early one of the first run - everything but the battery is still original including tires (our tire guy watches them carefully - will probably be replaced for next long distance drive)

92 Ford 3/4 ton van (180000+ miles)(bought used in 86 - used for towing until we got the pickup with lower miles)

92 Chevy pickup (tow vehicle for the 20' enclosed trailer)(60,000 - got from a farmer's estate sale 2 years ago - well taken care of)

66 Lincoln Continental coupe (our first show car bought in 76 with 35000 miles on it - now has 50000 - driven to all shows - a total original - on its second set of tires (bias ply)

66 Chevy II L79 - Pure Stock Muscle Car drag racer

64 Impala SS 4 speed - Pure Stock Muscle Car drag car - silver/silver

64 Impala SS automatic - driver/show car - silver/silver

64 Impala SS 4 speed - driver; needs restoration - silver/silver but with Earl Schibe (sp?) black paint job that could probably come off with power wash

62 Impala SS automatic - driver/show car - dusty green inside and out

And that's why we need three garages - and counting! It's actually nice to have most of the cars in one place. It's a great hobby - cheaper than some others might be and a great way to meet new friends along the way.

Chris
 

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I've spent the lat couple hours perusing this thread. I was duly impressed with te tasteful way the garage blends so well with the rest of the property, then i was the Mercs, wow, I was completely blown away. After reading further about your fiscal management, I was in awe. Thanks for setting such a fine example. If you haven't checked out Chris and her husbands thread, I think it would behoove you to do so. It is amazing as well.
 

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Beautiful, just beautiful.

I'm striving to attain your level of financial responsibilty as well, it just makes no sense to carry debt and pay for the "privilege" of doing so!
 
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I appreciate the compliments, thanks.

Was out there last night removing a leaking steering box and coupler from the '67 250 SL. The tie rod and drag link don't give it up easily from the pitman arm. Get it done now so she's ready for spring!
 

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Nah I have these urges to take a rusty 113 and put 124/129 suspension under it and stick a 6.0 M119 in it. I have too many things to finish before I can start looking at car ****.

Steve

Car ****... Hilarious! I lost it when I read this. I see you have time for Garage **** though.
 

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Thanks for the compliments, guys.

I do very much enjoy working in the new garage and am learning to do more things for myself on the vintage cars. Regular maintenance, tuning, interior work, detailing, general fixing is where I'm at now. I did pull the ****** on the 190 SL when the throw out bearing was binding and fixed that, but that's about as deep as I've gone. Suspension work, engine rebuilds, rear end rebuilds, brake jobs, welding, are all skills I need to learn. The problem is, other than paid professionals, I have no one to teach me. The guys who do the heavy lifting on my Mercedes, www.blackforestllc.com are a great bunch and top notch professionals. I'm very friendly with them and they're very helpful and willing, but, I can only make so much of a pest of myself. After all, they are running a business. I don't know qualified DIYers, locally, that want to just play on a weekend doing heavy lifting. My buddy for that is in Georgia. Anyway, I'll get there eventually.

Johnny, the brick is new. It's not an uncommon brick, but, I agree, I couldn't believe how it matched right out of the box. The house is 23 years old. The brick on the walks and aprons are the same, just the other surface.

JC, the cars in the pics are the toys. The daily drivers are in the other garage, the grey one that I did first. I think the UCoatit product is excellent. Water based and very easy to use. It lifted under the tires, but who's to say I prepared the floor as well as I should have. Also, there was some cement patching that was done that was not holding, no fault of the paint. After doing the hobby garage in the epoxy slurry, it was inevitable that I would eventually do the same in the daily garage. The stuff just performs unbelievably, I can't say enough about it. It's not cheap, but it is forever.

Garage is 21 X 32. Eight foot doors. Trellis, being attached, satisfied the city that the second garage is attached and allowed me to max out at those dimensions because of setback codes.

I've been fortunate to be able to pursue my hobby and build a garage I enjoy. I've been reading the "how does everyone afford so much" thread with great interest. I'm 56 now and closed a family business when I was 33 and just married. Had no money to speak of (I'd put it all in the business) and was living off my wife's $14K/year income. Took nine months off, it was some of the best time of my life. Went into the investment business, advising individuals and did well. I've never paid interest on a credit card balance and paid off the mortgages on my previous house and my current house (many years ago), the one you see. Since 1984, I have not had a new car. I used to buy cars for my wife and me for 6K, usually used Cadillacs, drive them for a few years and sell them for 3 or 4K. Just comfortable transportation. I started driving nicer cars in 1999, when I bought a '97 Mercedes with 6K miles on it. Three weeks ago, we just sold my wife's 1999 BMW 540i wagon that I bought in 2002 with 85K miles on it for $24K ($60K new). It had 200k miles on it and I got a whopping $4K for it. Bought her a 2004 Lexus RX330 with 28K miles on it for $19K. 4 wheel drive, hatchback, reliable...she'll be happy in the snow (unlike the BMW). What I've saved over the years not driving the latest and greatest, like many of my coworkers and neighbors, probably paid for the new garage. I live way below my means, save 50% or more of my after tax. No cleaning help, no landscape help, no snow plowers, one family trip/year, not a lot spent on clothes, no fancy private schools (although I'll have two in college next two years), not all the trappings that a lot of folks who can't afford it seem to need. I'm not depriving myself (as you can see), my wife and I just don't feel a lot of need for the things that end up being worthless. So, as someone in the other thread mentioned, sure, at today's mortgage rates, one conceivably could earn more on their money. But, it's not without risk. Paying off debt is the riskless investment. Without debt, a whole lot can go wrong, job, health, economy, weather, etc., before the trouble hits home for real. It's not how much you make (although it helps), it's how you choose to live.

Great garage. I had to comment on this post. Living well below your means makes tremendous sense. Dave Ramsey has a series and radio show which speaks to this, called Financial Piece. Your last point, is spot on. Cheers.
 
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Well, there's been further evolution. We've built a home, or as some like to tell me, a garage(s) with a house attached. Three garages, two car daily, larger two car hobby for working on the cars and other stuff, and a lower level display garage. Pictured here is the interior of the lower display garage. I have a desk (my grandfather's and father's) set up where I do work for business. The Boxter is storage for a friend and the MGB storage for my brother. The VW and BMW are my kids cars from high school that they want me to keep.
 

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Love the drains in the garage floor, such a great idea. Iv never seen them in Ontario so i have a feeling they are not allowed, perhaps for environmental reasons
 
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Thanks for the compliments. The drains are fabulous, especially here in snow country. There is a drain under each car in the daily garage. When snow melts, it hits the floor and then drains under the car. The perimeter of the car is always dry and clean. The garages, as well as the house, all have radiant heat in the floors. The daily and hobby garages are kept at 60 degrees and the lower display garage 68 degrees.

The first pictures are the daily garage, outside and inside. Then the hobby garage, on the other side of the courtyard with a potting shed and storage garage attached. The stairway from the daily garage leads to the main mechanical room for the house and the stairway in the hobby garage leads to the lower display garage.
 

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There will be a BendPak 10K lb lift with overhead plumbing installed soon. You can see the electrical hook up on the wall where the trailer is. Provisions were made in the floor to avoid any conflict with radiant during installation
 

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