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Let me introduce you to the Chinese Craftsman professional stubbys

suss427

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I called customer service last week (nice guy in Tempe, AZ) to order Metric and Standard 11 piece craftsman professional stubbies as they were on sale. I called specifically to ask where and by whom they were made. The answer was: they are made by Easco in the USA.

Link:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944138000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

This is what I got... huge head worthless ****.

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Here is what is in the stores and what I wanted
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I have cut sears some slack before, but will never buy another thing from them. I will return to the store but I am not sure if I even want to try to swap them out with the loose ones hanging on the shelves.


UPDATE 1:
I called customer service and could barely understand what they were saying (not the Tempe call center) where they basically said tough ****, go return them. That was by far the most upsetting part of this experience.

UPDATE 2:
I returned the items I ordered over the phone at my local Sears where the manager was unpleasant.

UPDATE 3:
I ordered some SK stubbies today. I am no longer a Sears customer.

UPDATE 4:

Both the Cman metric and the SK's arrived today. I figured I would snap a few shots and take a few measurements before I sent them back. I am comparing a SK 18mm with a Cman 18mm.

Two things worth noting, the SK has a thicker shaft and seems to fit better in my hand. :spit: The chrome on the SK's is nothing to write home about, there are a few chips and spots. Some of the tips are also not shiny. I think I will shoot SK an email, but they are still going in my toolbox tomorrow.

At the bottom of first pic 18mm Cman on the left and 18mm SK on the right
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(All dimensions are in MM. DIM A was measured more carefully than the rest granting it an extra decimal point. All other values were rounded down. DIM E is shaft thickness)

Cman Pro
DIM A: 18.25
DIM B: 40.9
DIM C: 9.6
DIM D: 28.7
DIM E: 5.6

SK
DIM A: 18.16
DIM B: 34.5
DIM C: 8.1
DIM D: 25.4
DIM E: 6.1
 
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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

They look way out of proportion !
 

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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

SK and Armstrong, but they refer to stubby wrenches as short.
 

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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

Sometimes I just don't get all the complaints. Some threads ***** about not enough metal in the tool, this thread ******* about too much metal in the tool. I just don't see a problem with them. If you aren't using them to make a living, then they are probably just fine.
 

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I called customer service and got sent to India where they basically said tough ****, go return them. That was by far the most upsetting part of this experience.

Tell them Pakistanis provide much better technical support. They like that.
 

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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

Weird I ordered the stubby sets two weeks ago and received U.S. Made wrenches I was even missing the 13mm I called and received my USA made wrench yesterday
 

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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

Wow, those are some crab claw lookin open ends. Sorry for your loss of funds. Although only available in limited sizes now (aka picked over), Cripedistributing.com had some very nice old stock of US made fully polished KD stubby wrenches at $2-3 a wrench. Don't confuse these with current KD numbers online as those refer to Gearwrench sets (great wrenches but, not US made). There's always used online. Some of the Williams stubbies may still be US made. SK is good choice if a bit over priced. Armstrong offers their "Extra Short" sets 52-605 for metric and 25-605 for sae but, they're pricey and don't have the larger sizes over 19mm or 3/4. Good luck in your quest.:beer:
 

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Water head wrenches :D

Return them to the store and order some S-K.

I was about to buy the Cman midgets, but got the S-K's for Christmas. They are excellent

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There was a guy on here selling Williams stubbies...I think his stock may have dwindled though. Myself and a co-worker picked up two sets and we are quite pleased with them.

Dave
 

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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

Sometimes I just don't get all the complaints. Some threads ***** about not enough metal in the tool, this thread ******* about too much metal in the tool. I just don't see a problem with them. If you aren't using them to make a living, then they are probably just fine.

I smell something and I think the real reason for the complaint against these wrenches is simply because they are Chinese made.
 

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My Wright 11pc full polish set is about the same price as the Chinese Craftsman 13pc set. The two sizes that are missing are 16 and 18mm, which are very seldom ever used.

There's no reason to buy any of Craftsman's wrenches or ratchets anymore, IMHO. There are plenty of other options in US made tools at similar price points.

Now, on the other hand, I actually like the Craftsman Professional screwdrivers. I bought the stubby sets on clearance for $10 each and I'm just waiting for the standard length ones to go on sale (I really don't need the slotted ones) to complete my set.
 
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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

Sometimes I just don't get all the complaints. Some threads ***** about not enough metal in the tool, this thread ******* about too much metal in the tool. I just don't see a problem with them. If you aren't using them to make a living, then they are probably just fine.

I smell something and I think the real reason for the complaint against these wrenches is simply because they are Chinese made.

1. I use my tools professionally.
2. I was promised one thing and received another.
3. The design of these wrenches limits their utility, not the fact that they are Chinese.
4. The whole point of stubbys is for tight places and these huge pieces of **** are less useful because of their extra girth.

I just went into the store and returned them. I did grab an open stock wrench off the wall to compare and there was really no comparison. One was a professional tool and one was not. You could have swapped which one was stamped USA and China, and it would make no difference to me.
 

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No way I'm paying that much for those. The heads are way to big for a close quarters type of wrench and the price for china made is out of control. Why didn't they lower the price to reflect the china made vs US made set??? I have Cornwell and Craftsman set from years ago that are great and even have a Toptul set that was half that price and better made.
 

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Sorry to see you got lied to by customer service at Sears (perish the thought!) and that the people in India basically gave you the finger too (never would have guessed). It disheartens me to see that this kind of **** continues, but it reaffirms the decision never to do business with their website or over the phone with them. Once the China stuff started to get mainstream, I had always feared this would happen to me too. :(

The stuff could be free, literally free off the website, and I still would not bother with it. In fact, you couldn't pay me to use their website to order something. Absolute ****, as is their customer service. :mad:

Glad you got a refund at the store at least. :dunno:
 
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Re: Let me introduce you to the Chineese Craftsman professional stubbys

Sometimes I just don't get all the complaints. Some threads ***** about not enough metal in the tool, this thread ******* about too much metal in the tool. I just don't see a problem with them. If you aren't using them to make a living, then they are probably just fine.

I may be different than most people, but to me, function isn't everything. I guess you could say I use my wrenches semi-professionally. I do work for people for side money, and as a hobby.

I choose my tools carefully based on COO, quality, and aesthetic appeal. I couldn't stand to look at those Chinese WaterHead Craftsman junk if they were in my tool box.
 

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Those do look excellent. Any suggestions as to where I should get them?

Tooltopia, MyToolStore, Tool Discounter or one of the Amazon listings

Here's a good listing of part numbers and sets :

http://www.mytoolstore.com/sk/sk03143.html

No idea if MyToolStore is any good to deal with, no first hand experience there.

S-K is available, but it might take 5-10 minutes of looking to decide where.

I got mine as a gift, no idea where they came from. I didn't really need (or want) the SAE's, just the metric. I got the std and extended set metrics (86240 and 86241), but they do make a 20 piece combo SAE/Metric set if that's what you prefer
 

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I ordered them myself a couple of weeks ago. I got those goofy looking chinese pieces of garbage as well. I returned them. I purchased Gearwrench stubbys. I figured that if i was going to get chinese stubbys i might as well get some i like! I have totaly given up on Sears. Every Craftsman tool i own has been removed from my work box and put in my home box. I dont want to risk breaking a quality tool and having it replaced with chinese garbage. Its a real shame because i have been a big Craftsman fan over the years...but im done. Im sticking with Snap on
 

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I smell something and I think the real reason for the complaint against these wrenches is simply because they are Chinese made.

In this case, I disagree. I don't typically truck with the whole "OMG THOSE TOOLS ARE UGLY" crowd, but the newer Craftsman Lobster-Claw wrenches look horrid.

Do they work? Dunno, but don't care.

Anyone here should know that I'm not an anti-Craftsman/anti-Chinese mouthpiece, and beyond that, I'm far from a tool polisher.

That said, whoever is responsible for the design of these monstrosities should be castrated and force-fed their recently-attached parts.

I have no clue what could posses someone to produce this ****, especially considering the other (far-superior) offerings coming out of Asia.

If Danaher's producing it, maybe they don't want this particular line of stuff competing with their GearWrench non-ratcheting stuff (which is absolutely gorgeous, I must add), so they've released this design.

Whatever the reason, these stink.
 
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Those are definitely some fugly wrenches. Looks like the quality of the Craftsman tools are going down the drain along with Sears. :-/
 

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I smell something and I think the real reason for the complaint against these wrenches is simply because they are Chinese made.

It does seem to be the common theme but yet, people still buy them and complain when they get them. If you're worried about it, go to the store and touch it 1st.
With all the anti Chinese threads, you figure if it were a big deal, then if a person was concerned, they would buy a different brand altogether.
 

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I would be mad as hell if I called and asked specific questions about the manufacturer and COO of a particular item, only to end up receiving something else, and something else that I dislike at that. Sears would get them back.

That said, they are goofy looking.:spit:
 

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I suspect they made the open end that way to ensure the inferior chinese bought recycled american trash would be less prone to breakage that or it was designed by someone who didn't grow up with a set of wrenches in their hut
 

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It does seem to be the common theme but yet, people still buy them and complain when they get them.

Read the first post again. The OP says he ordered them AFTER calling Sears to find out the country of origin. He says Sears told him they were USA made.

I called specifically to ask where and by whom they were made. The answer was: they are made by Easco in the USA.
 

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I am hoping that Cman going to china and coming up with such a dorky looking stubby wrench will lead to more market share going to SK, Williams and Wright.
I've been a Williams fanboy because my Dad bought a bunch of their tools in the 60's. He then bought a SK 1/2 drive socket set in the 70's. I honestly don't remember a single Cman tool in the house growing up, weird eh? My first socket set was Master Mechanic. It was on sale and my Dad had a bunch of their hand tools. Served me well as a punk teenager.
 

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Interesting timing of your post. I actually received my Craftsman Metric stubby set yesterday also and was aghast at the bulk and profile of these.

It bugged me all day and was debating about just sucking it up and keeping them. After dinner and about an hour before my local Sear would closed, I could not take it anymore and the wife thought I was crazy leaving the house late that night and went straight to Sears to get a USA made set or a refund. Luck shined on me and they only had one set on the rack and it was the USA made set. The Sear employee did not even blink twice and swapped them form me. The employee was apologetic and got where I was coming from on the import invasion into the Craftsman hand tool line. In his words, "this is what you get when K-Mart is running the show".

I just pray I never have to warranty one in the future as I am sure it will be a Chinese replacement.
 

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unfortunately williams is mostly taiwan

Williams IS NOT mostly Taiwanese tools.



Williams offers two lines of tools. Most tools are available in both USA made and imported versions.

What wrench set was it? Likely, there is a USA made version of that very same wrench set available.
 
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Here's a little better pic of the SK midgets :

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Wow, nice :drool: ! Any Wright lovers want to convince me not to order these SK's this weekend?

I also bumped my stubby wanted thread if anyone has some they are willing to part with.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117872&highlight=stubbys


What about the Kolbalt from Lowes? Didn't really use mine yet, but they seemed nicely made.
They had those little sets on sale for $10.00 around Christmas.

RE: the Lowes stubbys... looked at them last week, $10 a for a set of 6 I think. They looked pretty decent, and a great deal, but looking for something a bit nicer.

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That said, whoever is responsible for the design of these monstrosities should be castrated and force-fed their recently-attached parts.
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I have no clue what could posses someone to produce this ****, especially considering the other (far-superior) offerings coming out of Asia.
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Whatever the reason, these stink.

Yep

...less prone to breakage that or it was designed by someone who didn't grow up with a set of wrenches in their hut

Haha, sounds about right.
 
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suss427

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Williams IS NOT mostly Taiwanese tools.



Williams offers two lines of tools. Most tools are available in both USA made and imported versions.

What wrench set was it? Likely, there is a USA made version of that very same wrench set available.


"Taiwan ratchet wrench manufacturer"
http://www.williamtools.com/

It is the second hit in google if you type in Williams tools.
 
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I called customer service last week to order Metric and Standard 11 piece craftsman professional stubbies as they were on sale. I called specifically to ask where and by whom they were made. The answer was: they are made by Easco in the USA.

Link:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00944138000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

This is what I got... Chinese huge head worthless ****. (got to mention the chrome looks really good though :rolleyes: )

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Here is what is in the stores and what I wanted
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The ones you say you wanted in the 3rd pic are raised panel wrenches not Professional series.
 
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