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bayoutoolguy

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just picked it up at AAP, 3/8 drive fixed head. while it is a pretty smooth ratchet, do you guys who own one find that it could use some lube of some sort? light oil, grease or just leave it be? as stated, its smooth with no problems so far. also, if it shares the same basic pawl design as the 60T gearwrench ratchets and the 88T matco, then why is the 88T Matco so much rougher compared to the 60 and 84T gearwrench ratchets? all the matcos ive owned (which ive gotten rid of) haa a very rough action. Id like to buy another one, only if it has improved.
 
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an oil works well, and smooths them quite a bit. grease or superlube is too thick and will cause the mechanism to jam up.
 

ihateminimumwage

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...if it shares the same basic pawl design as the 60T gearwrench ratchets and the 88T matco, then why is the 88T Matco so much rougher compared to the 60 and 84T gearwrench ratchets? all the matcos ive owned (which ive gotten rid of) haa a very rough action. Id like to buy another one, only if it has improved.

I've been wondering that as well. The Gearwrench 60&84T action has always seemed much smoother than the 88T Matco ratchets I've used. Matcos were so loud and 'clunky' for having such a high tooth count.
 

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I had a very small amount of Mobil1 spray oil left to lube mine.......I wish they still made this.
 
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bayoutoolguy

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any of you have the gearwrench 84T flex head ratchets with the soft handle? although i dont use them that way, do you feel that these could hold up in a pro environment/on par with matco? being theyre the same design? the gearwrench is taiwanese made, and the matco usa, but same gear/pawl design, does that mean the gearwrench ratchets are of less quality?
 

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that type of action (matco, gearwrench, armstrong, c-man) calls for marvel mystery oil. i have tried quite a few other things and none of them worked well. mmo is the lubricant of choice in them.
 

ihateminimumwage

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id really like to get the flexhead soft handles.

Get them. They are excellent quality. I like the feel of their soft handles more than the Matco handles, the action is smooth, and I've been putting mine through plenty of punishment working on tractor trailers. They've held up just fine. I have them in 1/4" and 3/8", and will be buying a 1/2" (even though they don't offer them with a soft handle)
 
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I have Matco and GW, and the GW is as good or better. GW is my go to because they are easy to warranty although I have not had to warranty any of my GW tools.......and I have a LOT Of them going all the way back to the KD Tools days.
 

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i have several ratchets with the 84t and 120t from Gearwrench as well. love them both and i haven't had a LOT of problems, but have some that reverse. here's what i've learned:

1. don't use a thick grease, causes the pawl to stick and it'll reverse or get stuck on you.

2. i've used superlube with no problems, but only if you use a little bit. too much, and you'll have the same issues as #1.

3. i've also tried 0w-30 Castrol syntec motor oil, and it works well actually. so, this might be an option if you have some motor oil sitting around.

4. if you ever have the reversing problem, what i found out recently (friend brought over his gearwrench ratchet with the problem and asked me to take a look) is that the cause is the pawl not ratcheting to the next set of gear teeth and sticking to the main gear. there are 2 causes to this:

a) if you used a thick grease, it can cause the teeth to stick or otherwise slow or hinder the movement of the pawl.

b) in the switching lever, there's a hole with a spring and a cap on top that pushes the pawl against the center gear. if that spring isn't working properly, it doesn't push the pawl back against the center gear fast enough of strong enough, and the teeth on the pawl will hold on to the center gear and move the pawl with the gear instead of skipping/ratcheting to the next set of teeth. the fix is to take the spring out and stretch it out a bit (to the point where the resting length of the spring is a little bit longer than before) so it applies more force against the pawl.

the first thing I do to fix this is (a), i'll clean everything out and just re-assemble with an oil and see if that fixes it. in the recent case, that didn't fix it so i kept looking at the mechanism to understand where it was failing. then thought of (b) and sure enough that fixed the problem. the spring was really weak, so i stretched it out and that fixed it.
 

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http://www.quantumfishing.com/products/1535/HOT-SAUCE.aspx

I always wondered if this stuff would work well for ratchet lube... It works great in my spinning reels.

I have a Gearwrench XP120 ratchet that i used Shimano DragStar grease. I haven't used the ratchet that much, but I put the grease in the first day i got the ratchet when i was "looking" at the 2 pawl mechanism:bounce:

I did have to take it apart and wipe off excess grease because it "slowed down" the pawls too much for my taste
 
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I just got a 1/4" drive GW 84-tooth ratchet. Lubed it up with some Sil-Glyde (same **** as SuperLube). She's smoooooth.
 

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I have a Gearwrench XP120 ratchet that i used Shimano DragStar grease. I haven't used the ratchet that much, but I put the grease in the first day i got the ratchet when i was "looking" at the 2 pawl mechanism:bounce:

I did have to take it apart and wipe off excess grease because it "slowed down" the pawls too much for my taste

The stuff I'm thinking of is oil, probably slightly more thin than the Pennzoil 10w-40 I used to use, and super slick.
 

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i have several ratchets with the 84t and 120t from Gearwrench as well. love them both and i haven't had a LOT of problems, but have some that reverse. here's what i've learned:

1. don't use a thick grease, causes the pawl to stick and it'll reverse or get stuck on you.

2. i've used superlube with no problems, but only if you use a little bit. too much, and you'll have the same issues as #1.

3. i've also tried 0w-30 Castrol syntec motor oil, and it works well actually. so, this might be an option if you have some motor oil sitting around.

4. if you ever have the reversing problem, what i found out recently (friend brought over his gearwrench ratchet with the problem and asked me to take a look) is that the cause is the pawl not ratcheting to the next set of gear teeth and sticking to the main gear. there are 2 causes to this:

a) if you used a thick grease, it can cause the teeth to stick or otherwise slow or hinder the movement of the pawl.

b) in the switching lever, there's a hole with a spring and a cap on top that pushes the pawl against the center gear. if that spring isn't working properly, it doesn't push the pawl back against the center gear fast enough of strong enough, and the teeth on the pawl will hold on to the center gear and move the pawl with the gear instead of skipping/ratcheting to the next set of teeth. the fix is to take the spring out and stretch it out a bit (to the point where the resting length of the spring is a little bit longer than before) so it applies more force against the pawl.

the first thing I do to fix this is (a), i'll clean everything out and just re-assemble with an oil and see if that fixes it. in the recent case, that didn't fix it so i kept looking at the mechanism to understand where it was failing. then thought of (b) and sure enough that fixed the problem. the spring was really weak, so i stretched it out and that fixed it.

Yup.

I just recently started a thread on this very thing.
Your observations are the same as mine. The main problem is the spring. I opted NOT to mess with it instead decided to send them back and have them replaced. The replacements did not have this problem, the springs where much more firm.

Wish i could link my thread but im on my phone.
 

ihateminimumwage

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i have several ratchets with the 84t and 120t from Gearwrench as well. love them both and i haven't had a LOT of problems, but have some that reverse. here's what i've learned:

1. don't use a thick grease, causes the pawl to stick and it'll reverse or get stuck on you.

2. i've used superlube with no problems, but only if you use a little bit. too much, and you'll have the same issues as #1.

3. i've also tried 0w-30 Castrol syntec motor oil, and it works well actually. so, this might be an option if you have some motor oil sitting around.

4. if you ever have the reversing problem, what i found out recently (friend brought over his gearwrench ratchet with the problem and asked me to take a look) is that the cause is the pawl not ratcheting to the next set of gear teeth and sticking to the main gear. there are 2 causes to this:

a) if you used a thick grease, it can cause the teeth to stick or otherwise slow or hinder the movement of the pawl.

b) in the switching lever, there's a hole with a spring and a cap on top that pushes the pawl against the center gear. if that spring isn't working properly, it doesn't push the pawl back against the center gear fast enough of strong enough, and the teeth on the pawl will hold on to the center gear and move the pawl with the gear instead of skipping/ratcheting to the next set of teeth. the fix is to take the spring out and stretch it out a bit (to the point where the resting length of the spring is a little bit longer than before) so it applies more force against the pawl.

the first thing I do to fix this is (a), i'll clean everything out and just re-assemble with an oil and see if that fixes it. in the recent case, that didn't fix it so i kept looking at the mechanism to understand where it was failing. then thought of (b) and sure enough that fixed the problem. the spring was really weak, so i stretched it out and that fixed it.

Very good info. My 3/8 tried reversing itself a couple of times yesterday fighting with a slack adjuster. I'll have to open it up today.:thumbup:
 
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