Between 705 & 1200 SQ/FT 25X40 in Texas, offroad, autoX, and hotrod garage

jam0o0 · Sep 16, 2013

Well I guess I can start a thread now that I have some pictures to share.

A little background: my fiance and I just got our first house. we plan to stay and raise a family here. We had to move pretty for out of town to get enough space and be in budget. Cost of the shop was planned into our house budget. We had to have an HOA to protect our home's value. Anything around here without one quickly devolves into a place you don't want to live. But this HOA is made for people like us garage nuts.

simple specs:
25x40 slab 6" concrete, with 24" deep beams every 10'. rebar on 24" centers

12' wall height. 2x6 stick built.

2x 9x9 insulated doors
1x man door on side
4x 32x48 double pane fixed windows. (free)

quick lot plan i draw up based on the survey. garage location is an estimate.

Last week they set the forms and delivered one load of fill dirt.

looks like the dump truck had some fun trying to get out.

Then Saterday the dirt and rebar crew showed and got everythign ready in 6 hours.

Everything should be ready for concrete today.

jam0o0 · Sep 16, 2013

Some of the junk that'll live here:

next project: full cage, revamp hydro steering

next project: redrill old autoX wheels and drive it

next project: intercooler piping,

<insert 27-32 ford tudor picture>
next project is an early 30's hot rod. collecting engine parts now.

Strangers_Mach · Sep 18, 2013

Thats a wicked awesome FSB, i sold mine about a year ago and regret it. I cant wait to build a nice garage/shop. I've actually got a chopped 31 tudor sedan that i started building almost 10 years ago with my ole man. Cant wait to have room to build it.

Keep us posted on the progress of your build man!

GIJoe4500 · Sep 18, 2013

I recognize that screen name and that bronco!

Boyd · Sep 18, 2013

If you don't mind me asking, how much is your slab costing you?

98XJ · Sep 19, 2013

gonna be nice

jam0o0 · Sep 19, 2013

concrete was poured yesterday! the finishing crew didn't leave until 9pm. i'll get some pictures this evening for yall.

yea i use this same name everywhere online. it keeps my 'things to remember list' shorter.

Boyd said:
If you don't mind me asking, how much is your slab costing you?

i've got a general contractor organizing everything since getting good subs in houston is a very difficult thing to do. his profit is built into all of the itemized stuff i bet. but it's listed as 13k for the dirt, rebar, concrete and finishing. judging by the ruts in the yard it took 4 trucks to fill in everything. the soil here is really bad so it requires a lot more concrete than most places.

NUTTSGT · Sep 19, 2013

Why 25' ? Just curious as it's an odd size, generally people go 24 or 26'.

Zeke · Sep 19, 2013

Forms in the middle of a grassy field. Never seen that.

jam0o0 · Sep 19, 2013

why 25' - i had to bring the size down from 30' and that's what the contractor made the drawings out to.

the forms - me neither. i called the GC out to make sure it was ok since i'd never seen it done that way.

they set 3 sides. then they came in and scraped off the grass. leveled the site with fill. then dug the beams. then plastic, rebar. this might have been done since the shop floor is 12" above ground level. and it was easier this way.

TheShrine · Sep 19, 2013

What part of Richmond? I retired there....off of Winner Foster Road...Karaugh subdivision....not far from the "Swinging Door". My neighbors were Seattle Slew and Slew Machine. Great place to live and raise a family. I haven't been back in 10-12 years. I'll bet it has changed!

Keep up the pics and progress!

TheShrine · Sep 19, 2013

Zeke said:
Forms in the middle of a grassy field. Never seen that.

The first pic shows a roof line and a driveway within peeing distance. The second pic is shot from, I'm assuming, the home....how is it "in the middle of a grassy field"? :headscrat

Kevin54 · Sep 19, 2013

Did they NOT strip the sod off before they started back-filling with sand and gravel? :wtf:

jam0o0 · Sep 20, 2013

shrine: I think the neighborhood has only been around for 15 years or so. it's out by the george ranch.

the back yard looks like a giant field because the lot next door and the lot behind us are not built yet. so there are about 4 acres of empty space. and they did scrape the top 2 inches off before starting the dirt work. i just didn't take pictures of the process. but all the grass is in piles around the outside of the forms.

i'll see if i can get the google earth view with the shop location indicated.

jam0o0 · Sep 20, 2013

lot plan to scale added to first post.

concrete poured.

they started the framing today.

lost power at the office so i got out early. they got more done today than i did.

sorry if the pictures are fuzzy. it's too humid for the camera.

so i'm thinking i'm going to put up steel siding on the ceiling. should be easy and fast. any suggestions for places to get it around houston or richmond?

Marion3 · Sep 20, 2013

Curious to see this. I'm going to start a 24x40 in the next
Couple weeks

Crackerballer · Sep 20, 2013

I wish they'd add some HP to that FRS (and some wide rear wheels/tires) because it is a great looking car. Love that color too.

jam0o0 · Sep 25, 2013

more framing

anyone ever seen ceiling framing like this?

-the FRS has more power than my old car and gets the same mileage. so i'm happy. i'm sure in a few years when sales slow they'll make a turbo version. or you could get any of the many turbo kits available now.

jam0o0 · Sep 30, 2013

forgot the camera memory card. i'll get that tomorrow. thursday i came home to see the guys framed the windows in wrong. (vertical instead of horizontal.)

sundevil64 · Sep 30, 2013

Funny but not. Good thing you caught them.

jam0o0 · Oct 1, 2013

electrician got the conduit in the trench yesterday. 1 1/4 conduit with a 3/4 conduit for data. he even left pull cords in them. the plan is 90 amps. i should be able to fit 2 ag aluminum in there. only 2 90* bends.

jam0o0 · Oct 3, 2013

Update:

from last week.

picture taken from door looking back. those window heights look low. turns out the guys framed them in turned 90*.

pictures from this morning:

windows fixed, rafters done, most of the sheeting done.

jam0o0 · Oct 8, 2013

new pictures

they got the siding up, most of the eves, got the tec shield on the roof.

there should be another board in the corner so i can hang sheet rock right?

the light at the end of the tunnel. i can see it.

sundevil64 · Oct 8, 2013

I've been watching your build. Nice progress and it will very nice when done. If I can ask, what are the costs you are projecting per square foot for a stick structure? You can pm me if you like. I am working towards putting up a building and I may need to do it in steps like you are. I can't afford a turn key solution, but want to get the biggest I can afford. My target is a 30x50x10 with a 3/12 roof. Eventually I would like stone veneer to match the house. Insulation is critical as I will heat and cool for comfort. I want to put my office out there too.

John

dipan · Oct 8, 2013

That's going to be a nice space ... Keep the pics coming. What does the existing house look like and are you planning a similar style for the garage? And yes, you will need a stud in the corner for Sheetrock ...

wbrian63 · Oct 8, 2013

They make sheetrock clips that will allow you to avoid the extra stud in the corner. Nail them to the stud on the right before the sheetrock goes up and they create a channel to hold the sheet to the left.

http://www.prest-on.com/Scripts/prodList.asp?idcategory=2

rancherbill · Oct 8, 2013

jam0o0;3417290[img said:
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there should be another board in the corner so i can hang sheet rock right?

Yes, but you do not need a 'full' stud, you can use up scrap to provide the support.

Locally we have different building practices. Your ceiling/roof is different. Can you show more pictures and perhaps an explanation. The beam, ceiling joists and rafter jacks look like an expensive construction style. He it would be done with pre-manufactured roof trusses, the roof assembled on the ground and then 'flown' up with a crane.

jam0o0 · Oct 11, 2013

sun: it's around $50K for the shell with driveway. The hardee siding and very strong foundation made the price higher than normal. That does not include: electric, insulation, drywall.

dipan: The house is mostly red brick. but it does use hardee painted an off-white, for the dormers and some of the back. garage will match the hardee on the house. shingles will be the same as the house. this is all per HOA requirement.

brian: thanks for the link.

rancher: that's how i thought they would do it. my contractor told me it was cheaper for him to not rent the crane and frame it out this way. i'll get some pictures the next time i'm home in the day time. probly friday.

Update without pictures:
they got all the hurricane ties in, siding, shingles, and corner wood, and cleaned up the site. pictures today after i get some insulation on the front wall. hopefully before they get the garage door guy out there.

jam0o0 · Nov 1, 2013

ok new update:
we lost internet for 2 weeks. comcast is terrible.

took 3 trucks worth of dirt to level for the driveway.

lots of rebar here too. but not the best dirt prep.

tied into the existing driveway and garage foundation.

electrician ran 1 1/4" conduit instead of the 2" i asked for. now i have to use copper for the main power run.

someone had asked for better pictures of the framing.

highlift doors and jackshaft openers go in today. got racing this weekend so no progress till next week. got to get a day with no rain so i can get some more insulation and drywall. then i can get the electrical box hung and wired into the house.

jam0o0 · Nov 7, 2013

just in case anyone is still watching.

it looks like a garage!

guys put the insulated doors in. they even put in seals. they both work really smooth.

got my wire. 300 ft of 3aug. box, breakers, all ready to go.

picture of the house box. i got the same brand and style box for the garage so if i ever need a spare breaker for the house i can pull them off the garage in a pinch.

JordonMusser · Nov 7, 2013

looks good!

yucholian · Nov 7, 2013

I am trying to understand how those 2 beams are enough to keep the walls from bowing out, due to the roof load. Also, what size is the roof rafters? Thanks.

jam0o0 · Nov 10, 2013

update during football game:

got the electrical run out the to shop. 3gauge copper.

house box. new 100 amp breaker on bottom left.

garage box:20 space Cuttler hammer box.

forgot to put up inside pictures when the doors where put up.

bumper at top.

i can't answer any engineering questions about the framing for sure. but it looks like most of the roof load is going into the two big beams and not into the wall top plate. rafters are 2x6 with supports halfway between walls and king beam.

sunset yesterday. i'm getting to look at this nearly every day.

sunsation288 · Nov 18, 2013

Anymore update ?

jam0o0 · Nov 23, 2013

got the ceiling dry walled. couldn't find a drywall lift that would reach so i just paid some guys to do it. they left a hatch to get into the attic. i'll get insulation blown in later. i axed the electric openers after using the doors without then for a few weeks. it's a luxury that i don't need.

i've got a few friends that are supposed to come help me do some of the dry wall on the walls on sunday.

thanksgiving break should give me some time to get a few basic circuits in and hopefully lights. i think i'm going to go with 15 2 bulb t8 fixtures. i think it'll give me more even light with less shadows than 9 t5ho fixtures would. they will be in 3 rows of 5 set up to illuminate around vehicles and not just the roofs.

jam0o0 · Nov 26, 2013

got the south wall insulated and drywalled on sunday. big thanks to the guys that helped. i could not have done it without them. they all already have welding for me to do for them once the power is run. i'm going to insulate the rest of the space before i ask them to come by again.

i'm working on lighting right now. i thought i had this figured out until i tried to find 32 watt t8 fixtures with surface mount conduit cutouts and residential rated ballasts. looks like i'm going to have to assemble these myself. going with some cheap t12 fixtures at HD and ge-232-120-res ballasts for t8 lights. probly get daylight bulbs. the res ballast are half as efficient as commercial ballasts. so they are worse than t12. yay for government interference.

188slo50 · Nov 26, 2013

Looks great so far, more pics!

jam0o0 · Dec 9, 2013

got all 15 t12 fixtures retrofitted with the t8 residential rated ballasts. the $20 home depot fixtures are cheap and sharp but i don't have to look at them up close after i get them hung up. my hands look like i lost a fight with a cheese grater though.

took the FR-S to the houston area autoX and got second place in class. got 8th place indexed by car out of over 50 drivers. next season i'm gunna have better tires and go for a local level championship.

Nimonic · Dec 9, 2013

jam0o0 said:
i've got a general contractor organizing everything since getting good subs in houston is a very difficult thing to do..

Damn ain't that the truth (in Austin too). I played general contractor for mine and getting decent subs has been a nightmare.

Nice shop!

jam0o0 · Dec 16, 2013

update: it's a mess and christmas is really cutting into my time.

all the light fixtures with new ballasts.

basically i'm out of time till next year.

good luck with your place nimonic

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