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Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

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Quiet day, getting another 12+ plus of snow so I decided to have a little dissection fun with the American heavy weight 2235 and relative new comer PTP (Taiwan) made MT2769.

Matco came out with these around 2014, and so far they've remained roughly exclusive to them, then not long after the 2235 series came out as an improvement to the 2135. The First thing that will catch everyones eye is that the reverse/forward button and dial are a direct copy of what IR had introduced many years ago. I personally think this is the best control set-up available for an impact wrench so its in PTPs favor that their designers copied it.

So this post isn't a long boring list of comparisons i'll just say that dimensionally these two impacts are roughly identical as are the physical weights. They feel basically the same in the hand however there is a small caveat that the MT2769 has a slight cosmetically cheaper feeling to it which I feel is due to its grip texture (both impacts are composite bodies and otherwise feel pretty similar). The directional buttons also don't feel quite as solid as the IR. In the MT2769s favor though trigger teasing is about the best it could be (IR is very good here too) and their power knob is a piece of machined aluminum instead of hollow plastic as on the IR.

Noise wise the MT2769 is notably louder free spinning compared to the QTIMAX however the Matco impact can be customized in this department by removal of the lower plate (snap-ring) where the user can install more or less muffler material. The QTIMAX and TIMAX on the other hand are sealed and pre-built depending on which version you buy with the QTIMAX using a piece of muffling felt over the motor exhaust and foam pre-installed down the handle. You either buy a quiet model or you don't, there is no changing it later without buying a new housing and motor felt.
 
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Inside the impacts the build construction is similar in most respects (no surprise) however the 2235 does have a "titanium" impact housing while the MT2769 is machined aluminum. Because of this the MT2769 uses a split steel insert sleeve inside the hammer housing to prevent wear to the actual aluminum. The 2235, being the ever so slightly more powerful of the two, has a slightly larger anvil/dog assembly, thicker/larger hammers, and as a result a larger (although not beefier) hammer cage. Hammer pins are dimensionally identical between the two impacts. It is worth noting that neither use a washer to support the hammer pins when the impact is used facing up (working under a lift) so as a result the pins can rest on the motor plates and will wear over time. The Matco has more hours on it so there is an obvious wear ring where the pins have been scuffing.

Other similarities noted, the nose bushings look like they could be interchanged and the actual housing screws are identical in length and both use T25 heads.

The motors are where there are the most differences. The 2235 uses the same setup they've used for ages with a snap ring securing the rear of the 7 vane rotor to the rear end plate. The rotor is of course supported on both ends by bearings with a Chinese Peer (sad to see it) 6002Z at the front and a rear bearing with a proprietary IR part number (probably nothing special). The front end cap has a steel wear plate installed between it and the rotor so as the impact wears out the rotor wont wear into the air passages of the front plate reducing power. This wear plate was not used on the prior 2135 series and was one of the improvements. The rear end plate is designed allowing either more or less air flow by bypassing air through the plastic knob. When sitting in the composite housing there is a gasket (light blue) that the motor assembly sits on where air is routed for the dial control. Unlike the Matco motor assembly, which i'll discuss briefly below, the front end cap is not secured until the hammer housing is screwed on.

The MT2769 motor is designed as an assembly and structurally seems superior to IR (in my opinion). Design wise its very similar with a 6002Z bearing at the front (no name or COO) and 6001 bearing at the rear (no name or COO). The motor also uses a 7 vane rotor (similar if not identical dimensionally) front and rear aluminum end plates with no steel wear plate as found on the 2235 however the design of the rotor appears far more secure with the rear of it press fit into the bearing (the IR rotor has quite a bit of slop in its rear bearing) and the whole motor screwed securely together with 4 3mm allens. In short there isn't really anywhere for the rotor to go, at any point, without the bearings being completely shot while the IR rotor kind of floats a little which may be why the wear plate is needed. It uses a slightly different power regulation system with a machined aluminum dial routing more or less air directly through the rear end plate as opposed to through the knob (could be wrong but that's what it looks like). The dial uses a detent ball and machined indents as opposed to plastic as on the IR.

Parts availability for IR is excellent. Judging by their track record you'll be able to rebuild a 2235 20 years from now. PTP is relatively new player comparatively speaking so it remains to be seen how their parts support network is however as of this posting you can buy just about every part for the MT2769 online.

Price wise there is really no comparison. With Matco still having exclusive distribution to this style of impact you're stuck paying truck prices which are typical by truck brand standards which also means laughable. That said you can pick up a used MT2769 for less than $150 and a new or practically new for $175-250 through the usual secondary channels. The 2235 street price is still roughly $250-$275 depending on standard or quiet model. Performance wise they're extremely similar however I have to reiterate again how awesome the trigger control is on the Matco. You can easily hammer a fastener in or out practically one hammer blow at a time. Having had them both apart I feel this is actually due to superior air routing from the trigger to the motor in the PTP design. There is basically no hissing of air passing through before the motor starts to spin up.

The real standout to this line is actually the MT2220 which is one of the strongest 3/8" on the market (puts 2115/MG325 etc.. to shame) and shares every aspect (good and bad) with its larger brethren.

All in all I have to say I think they're both very good impacts and wouldn't see any reason to sell off one to buy the other unless noise really was of paramount concern in which case I do feel that the Quiet models that IR offer really are superior in conjunction with their power, probably due by and large to that large felt pad over the IR motor. I think you'd be stuffing so much foam into the Matco handle to get similar noise levels that you'd ultimately cripple the impacts output. That said I did add a small additional piece of foam to the Matco and its own noise level with this small modification is far from unpleasant.

Maybe i'll dig into an MG725 next.
 
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Re: Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

-Anvil/hammer assemblies, left is MT2769.

-Anvil/hammers apart, left anvil is MT2769-note beefier dogs on 2235.
Bottom hammer cage is MT2769.
Left hammer is MT2769.
Both are forged with the Taiwan one having a cleaner appearance

-Despite the illusion in the photo external dimensions are actually extremely close with the biggest difference being in thickness.

-2235 front motor plate and wear plate

-Motor felt, part of what puts the Q in the TIMAX


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Re: Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

Wow! Thanks for taking those apart!
 

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Re: Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

Nice write-up.

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Re: Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

Being the Matco is made by PTP. I would almost bet there is a Cornwell version as well. They make a TON of Cornwell tools. Just about everything not USA made.
 
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Re: Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

Cornwell doesn't have this impact. They have the other style with the reverse/forward behind the trigger. Napa sells the same impact as said Cornwell and Matco sells it in addition to this. They're two different designs and they don't have near as nice trigger feathering as the PTP IR styled ones. This impact series is exclusive to Matco. The only ones close (but not the exact same) are sold under Gearwrench and Aircat.
 
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Re: Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

Excellent tech, thank you
 

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Re: Inside and Out IR2235 vs Matco MT2769 (Professional Tool Products) "Copy"

Love the side by side pics! Thanx again
 
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