scooby074
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Torque Test Channel tests them.
I'd like to see TTC test Proto, I think this was one of TTC's better videos. 

Noticed that too, they are the same as Facom wrenches in Europe.The Mac is interesting; I have a set of Craftsman-branded "V Series" wrenches that are visually identical (now discontinued), and visually identical wrenches are sold under the Facom name. I guess I didn't know they were rebranded under a third name. If you buy a set, even the carrier is the same.
In any case, these made in Taiwan wrenches are nice, very damn nice, a real pleasure to use. I got mine on deep clearance at Lowes, and I'm glad to have them.
It's also interesting to see the extent that Snap-On prioritized small size and access over breaking strength; perhaps they can assume their customers aren't the sort of morons who will regularly use the ratcheting end to break loose rusty Ford suspension bolts?
One other piece of context we're missing is how much force your average 200 pound gorilla can actually apply; many of these wrenches were bending before the mechanism or even the open end failed, so unless you're using a hunka pipe or hammering on them, failure in real-world usage shouldn't really be an issue.
Nice to see the Capris do so well; I have several of their other tools and sets, and the brand consistently punches WAY above their price point.

The Mac is interesting; I have a set of Craftsman-branded "V Series" wrenches that are visually identical (now discontinued), and visually identical wrenches are sold under the Facom name. I guess I didn't know they were rebranded under a third name. If you buy a set, even the carrier is the same.
There are differences between the versions. For example, in the picture above, you can see a small circlip in the ratcheting boxed end. This is Facom/USAG's version of a capstop system. Say you have a nut on a long threaded rod, the wrench won't slip past the nut unless you apply pressure. The circlip allows you still use a reverse grip on the wrench with a little applied pressure.Actually 4 names; MAC, Craftsman, Facom and USAG. All are 4 brands are owned by Stanley Black & Decker.
Not sure of any technical differences between the brands, but they all look the same to me.

Let me add some context to these numbers, as I did on another thread here about 1/4" ratchets. There, all contenders, would almost take a 70kg person standing on them.I don't know whether these reviews help... Whats the point of getting the strongest ratcheting wrench, unless youre an idiot and use these to break fasteners. Same with testing the strength of the open end. Why? It would be more useful to check tight fitment of the open end.
I mean as long as a minimum of strength is attained (so no chinesium ****), slimness and fitment is more important and a good ratcheting mechanism... And warranty (which is standard in US but not in Europe).
Yes, I was meaning more from the perspective that Greatstar has their own ratcheting wrench manufacturing capabilities.SK really doesn't make anything in the US anymore
Are the Duratec ratcheting wrenches also Infar sourced? It does seem odd that since most of the new Greatstar SK is rebadged Duratec in Green/Black trim that they would change suppliers.Yes, I was meaning more from the perspective that Greatstar has their own ratcheting wrench manufacturing capabilities.

They are made by Yiyang Tools, China.Are the Duratec ratcheting wrenches also Infar sourced? It does seem odd that since most of the new Greatstar SK is rebadged Duratec in Green/Black trim that they would change suppliers.![]()
They only tested reversible ones.Interesting that Astro's new Razor wrenches weren't included.
They only tested reversible ones.
Interesting that Astro's new Razor wrenches weren't included.
They only tested reversible ones.
+1 on the Facom, they might not win on pushy but they a win in real world use of fit function and finish ...
This was what stood out to me also. To achieve the 100% ASME point on this test would require over 200# of force acting at 250mm from the fastener (for reference the SO is 277mm total length).I don't know whether these reviews help... Whats the point of getting the strongest ratcheting wrench, unless youre an idiot and use these to break fasteners. Same with testing the strength of the open end. Why? It would be more useful to check tight fitment of the open end.
I mean as long as a minimum of strength is attained (so no chinesium ****), slimness and fitment is more important and a good ratcheting mechanism... And warranty (which is standard in US but not in Europe).
I don't know whether these reviews help... Whats the point of getting the strongest ratcheting wrench, unless youre an idiot and use these to break fasteners. Same with testing the strength of the open end. Why? It would be more useful to check tight fitment of the open end.
I mean as long as a minimum of strength is attained (so no chinesium ****), slimness and fitment is more important and a good ratcheting mechanism... And warranty (which is standard in US but not in Europe).
The whole point of this style (ie Gearwrench style), of modern ratcheting wrenches, is that the ratcheting box end is “as strong as a regular box end wrench”.I don't know whether these reviews help... Whats the point of getting the strongest ratcheting wrench, unless youre an idiot and use these to break fasteners. Same with testing the strength of the open end. Why? It would be more useful to check tight fitment of the open end.
I mean as long as a minimum of strength is attained (so no chinesium ****), slimness and fitment is more important and a good ratcheting mechanism... And warranty (which is standard in US but not in Europe).
The whole point of this style (ie Gearwrench style), of modern ratcheting wrenches, is that the ratcheting box end is “as strong as a regular box end wrench”.
That was literally the design intention of the “modern” wrench, over the older sheet metal design made by Stride/Imperial.
I agree on the price for Icon. They were great at first, but the price kept creeping up and the cost benefit wasn't as good as it had been. With the right coupons or shopping open box stuff it's not too painful, but everyday price is nothing to get excited about.I like the ICON long pattern but the standard open jaw version, used them daily in auto repair shop for probably close to 3 years and they doing great .
First couple years from product release the price was absolute bargain .
The snapon is nicely made and quite nice to use but price is crazy and if you don't have very easy warranty route it not particularly money well spent .
Yup. Here in Greece the underside of 20 year old cars looks like a 1 year old American rustbelt car.Spot the guy who doesn't live in the rust belt.
This was what stood out to me also. To achieve the 100% ASME point on this test would require over 200# of force acting at 250mm from the fastener (for reference the SO is 277mm total length).
I suppose there are people with such incredibly tough hands that the can withstand 200# of force on their hand from a skinny wrench handle. I am absolutely not one of them, even with gloves.
Once you get past the absurd brute strength aspect, what's left? Hmm, package size? Low backdrag? Smoothness?
Gee, which brand has the smallest head, and lightest, smoothest mechanism?
It's almost as if SO designs tools for people who know not to put a 4ft cheater on a 17mm ratcheting wrench.
Brute strength is so rarely relevant to a particular task that it's absurd to weight it as heavily as all the testing videos and guy-to-guy chatter does.
What matters every time that tool touches a fastener, though, is how well it fits the fastener, how well it fits the available space, and can it do the job. Give me the smaller, weaker head every time. I own breaker bars. And there's a reason I LOVE my "low profile" ratchets that use a 3/8 anvil on a 1/4 drive body. THEY FIT AND THEY WORK. Are they as strong? No. Are they strong enough? Always.
This was what stood out to me also. To achieve the 100% ASME point on this test would require over 200# of force acting at 250mm from the fastener (for reference the SO is 277mm total length).
I suppose there are people with such incredibly tough hands that the can withstand 200# of force on their hand from a skinny wrench handle. I am absolutely not one of them, even with gloves.
Once you get past the absurd brute strength aspect, what's left? Hmm, package size? Low backdrag? Smoothness?
Gee, which brand has the smallest head, and lightest, smoothest mechanism?
It's almost as if SO designs tools for people who know not to put a 4ft cheater on a 17mm ratcheting wrench.
Brute strength is so rarely relevant to a particular task that it's absurd to weight it as heavily as all the testing videos and guy-to-guy chatter does.
What matters every time that tool touches a fastener, though, is how well it fits the fastener, how well it fits the available space, and can it do the job. Give me the smaller, weaker head every time. I own breaker bars. And there's a reason I LOVE my "low profile" ratchets that use a 3/8 anvil on a 1/4 drive body. THEY FIT AND THEY WORK. Are they as strong? No. Are they strong enough? Always.
Is the best ratcheting wrench the one that gets the job done? I bought a set of hyper tough flex head ratcheting wrenches at a garage sale a year ago for $7.00. Haven’t broken one yet. The 14mm gets used on break jobs all the time to remove caliper pin bolts.
I see very little value in destroying a tool. How many people can destroy a ratcheting wrench in their hand? People are using the wrong tool if they have to put a cheater on a tool to get the job done. There are tools for breaking fasteners loose. I have a Pittsburgh ratchet I’ve had for years, it happens to be my favorite ratchet. I don’t use a cheater on it. Tool companies make breaker bars for a reason.The failure tests are certainly fun to watch and have some value, but backdrag is much more important, IMO, than showing that you need to weigh 500 lbs, and not 400 lbs, to stomp on something to break it.
Saying that, FFS TTC, stop with the ASME comparison torque failure rating being the primary failure test unit and giving a percent. Yes, I can do the math, but just say failure was at X lbf-ft as a primary value, and this is Y% of the ASME value as a secondary if you want to include that.
People need to have an easy to relate to number that directly shows them that, "Oh, I'd need to weigh 500 lbs to break this, so this failure value isn't that important, and I should focus on other parameters...." instead of, "I need to get out the calculator and do two conversions to figure out WTF torque this failed at". Because people want to primarily know the failure torque as the primary unit.
Not this again…People are using the wrong tool if they have to put a cheater on a tool to get the job done. There are tools for breaking fasteners loose. I have a Pittsburgh ratchet I’ve had for years, it happens to be my favorite ratchet. I don’t use a cheater on it. Tool companies make breaker bars for a reason.
I see very little value in destroying a tool. How many people can destroy a ratcheting wrench in their hand? People are using the wrong tool if they have to put a cheater on a tool to get the job done. There are tools for breaking fasteners loose. I have a Pittsburgh ratchet I’ve had for years, it happens to be my favorite ratchet. I don’t use a cheater on it. Tool companies make breaker bars for a reason.
I thought Gearbox was a trademarked Gearwrench name. I wonder if they are sourcing those from ATG. Thanks for the pic. Good comparison.Have a 12mm duratech, compared to sk. 12mm xlong box end ratcheting. Considerable differences, sk shorter, beam thinner .174 vs .241 and tapers/rounded a bit, box end is thinner. Dt is a not as nicely machined. Ratchet end looks very close but doesn't feel the same dt rougher. Taiwan for sk China for dt. Non ratcheting box on duratech is not at a right angle from the beam, occasional need, loan to coworker or brother in law kinda tool... Sk appears comparable to my Taiwan gearwrench, tekton ratcheting wrenches. Only sk tools I've ever bought, can't speak to any other s.